...new three deuces by Barry Grant

[Stan's Customs]

Still kicking around all the nostalgia options I ran across these new carbs and intake from Barry Grant...might look pretty good on a 1970 LT1 350...heh heh!

http://www.barrygrant.com/news/articles/products/product_004.aspx

 

[IH2LOSE]

stan I have a set on order since august. they are out for the small blocks,But the Big Block one is not available yet.

I cant wait to get them,

And Yes I think they are real cool

 

[stepinwolf]

A Little more info

I spoke to Barry Grant yesterday, and was told that the first big block model should be shipping sometime in February, and that an additional BB setup with a duel plane manifold is in the works, ( shown at Sema ) and their plans, " barring and unforeseen problems " are for availability to the customers, starting in late June or July. The suggested retail pricing for the BB, will be 2395$ including carbs and air cleaner.

I am still juggling with the idea of adding some more " GO " to my 572 project, and I am undecided weather it should be in the form of three-deuces, or possibly a " ProCharger " with injection. Decisions,, decisions,,,,, :ugh

Stepinwolf

 

[BarryK]

i've admired those since someone (maybe you Larry) posted about it back in the sping or so.
makes me wish i had a NOM car so I could put it on - i'd feel guilty putting it on my "correct" car.

sure is a sexy set-up though - a nice set-up like that along with a March pully system would make one sexy motor!

 

[stepinwolf]

i've admired those since someone (maybe you Larry) posted about it back in the Spring or so.
makes me wish i had a NOM car so I could put it on - i'd feel guilty putting it on my "correct" car.

sure is a sexy set-up though - a nice set-up like that along with a March pully system would make one sexy motor!

Barry,

With all due respect, when will you, and the regular Corvette crowd in general, understand that the time and money we pour into these cars, and the hobby in general, SHOULD BE ( no sorry, make that MUST BE ) to make ourselves happy with our choices, and not to conform to some illogical beliefs that we are transgressing some dumb ass laws regarding our choice of builds or the parts we use to build our Corvettes.

I'm sorry to inform you that your car was original the moment it rolled off the line, and from that day on, everything that was done to it, took it out of it's original state. For God's sake purchase and install what ever parts turn you on, enjoy your Corvette, and get away from the damm " O, it's an original car,,, and I can't do that to it syndrome. "

As Confucius once said Barry, " You pay's the bills, you chooses the build's "


I'm Stepinwolf, and I'm thrilled with the ability to make my own choices in life, and with my Corvettes.

Happy New Years.

 

[BarryK]

Step
I understand what you are saying. It's MY CHOICE to want to keep this particular car as stock as possible.
I saw it stripped without paint so I'm well aware it wasn't always stock and had flares all artound it, etc but in it's current condistion my choice is to keep it stock.
Hopefully at some point I'll be able to afford to purchase another midyear to join my car and it will be MY CHOICE that a second midyear will specifically be a NOM car and I'll do all the neat, cool, upgrades things to it - a hot motor (maybe with the BG tri-power set-up), upgraded suspension, etc.

Since I agree with you that it's my car and therefore my choice of what to do with it, this is how I choose, at least currently.
Who knows, a few years down the road I may change my mind.

 

[Stan's Customs]

Aw come on Stepinwolf...you can't tell me that you wouldn't have a hard time destroying the integrity of a survivor car like Barry has fixed up. Most of us start out with junk heaps compared to that.

I could give a hoot about anyone elses preferences on a basket case...that's not the point. We as car lovers should remember that the original survivor cars that we can perserve are all that the next generations will be able to see...not having been around when there were lots of them.

The old race cars, basket heaps and poorly repaired wrecks with headers and hot rod alterations are fair game.... build them however the wind blows...Nothing has been compromised, in fact some old non restorable buckets of bolts have actually been brought back to life....and are are much better than they ever were new....

There's plenty of those around to deal with. Barry's right in trying to keep his car in reasonable correct form...wish I had the option, mine wouldn't ever make the grade....so how about 3 deuces , two 4's or an LS2...or a 572..

Just my 2 cents...Stan

 

[BarryK]

Hi Stan

I guess you can't really call my car a survivor since it's been body-off restored, but you understand my feelings and concerns about keeping my original motor car original condition
I agree completely with you on how to decide what to do with these cars although we all have different opinions and approaches to what we decide to do with our own cars. I'm with you in the aspect that if it's original - in terms of the motor and restored or restorable as a stock car than that's how I feel (just my own personal feelings) it should be done. On the other hand if it's already a NOM car or too far gone to restore to stock than hey, have fun with it and go wild, build a super cool restro-mod, hot rod, whatever.
as you say, there are only so many of these cars left to begin with and even less that have even just some of their original equipment still in them and they should be restored & preserved the way they were or as close as possible.

Hopefully someday I'll be able to get another as I mentioned and that one will be a NOM, i'll put on the wider fenders that 67Heaven did and Stepinwolf is doing (I love those things!), I'll have a super hot motor in it, better suspension, a kicking custom stereo, huge wide wheels, the works!

 

[Stan's Customs]

Depends on what you call a survivor Barry....not to be confused with unrestored original.

If you were to bring my car up to original you could almost buy two already done.

To me a survivor is a car that has most all the origiginal pieces.....

....yours has all that....having survived in my view.....just needing a little refurbishing.

It's the little pieces that eat you up...not the body work.

Anyway congrats on your restoration decisions ...Nice car..

Stan..

 

[stepinwolf]

My above response was not done with the intention of criticizing anyones choice ( much less Barry's ) but to permit everyone to explore different options regarding the work, rebuilds, mod's, or restorations that can be done to our cars.

Sometimes we have a tendency to forget that these vehicles, are not living , breathing , beings, nor our children, but rather an assortment of mechanical, metal parts. There is nothing that can be done to these cars that cannot be undone a later date by the next owners. Check out the first picture of my present ride below, to see what previously owners did to my present ride, and you will be in a better position to understand my statements.

By the way, while on the subject of my present ride you would be very hard pressed to-day, to find fault in the build, or the numbers, that were used in it's restoration. Every part is original, correctly dated, and that includes the tags, frame, etc. The only part that is not stamped is the engine block, but it has the correct casting #'s, is correctly dated ( 15 days prior to the assembly line build ), and with a virgin pad that still has the original factory broach marks , how could anyone sometime down the line admit to the fact that this vehicle was one time, only a bare Vin-tag, and not an original, unmolested Corvette.

Do not forget, we are only keepers of these Corvettes for a certain time, and ultimately, after we part, or part with it, it will belong to someone else, to do what he, or she chooses. This process is why, I myself, refuse to undertake my builds in order that the car remains as true to factory as it can be, knowing full well that my effort, and good intentions, could very well be lost to the next owner.

I can understand why anyone would want to keep the car original if it were to be put through the judging process, but to refrain to do what might be gratifying, in order to just be correct, is way over my head, especially when one considers the amount of time and money we spend.

However opinions are just that , and that's what these Forums are about, so you have my blessings :BOW ( as if you needed them ) to do it as you see fit with your present ride, and I promise I will not complain, or criticize you in the future,,,,,, and as " Forrest Gump " would say, and that's all I have to say about that "

Once again have a great New Years, and good luck with the new addition to the family Barry.

Stepinwolf

 

[stepinwolf]

Aw come on Stepinwolf...you can't tell me that you wouldn't have a hard time destroying the integrity of a survivor car like Barry has fixed up. Most of us start out with junk heaps compared to that.

I could give a hoot about anyone elses preferences on a basket case...that's not the point. We as car lovers should remember that the original survivor cars that we can perserve are all that the next generations will be able to see...not having been around when there were lots of them.

The old race cars, basket heaps and poorly repaired wrecks with headers and hot rod alterations are fair game.... build them however the wind blows...Nothing has been compromised, in fact some old non restorable buckets of bolts have actually been brought back to life....and are are much better than they ever were new....

There's plenty of those around to deal with. Barry's right in trying to keep his car in reasonable correct form...wish I had the option, mine wouldn't ever make the grade....so how about 3 deuces , two 4's or an LS2...or a 572..

Just my 2 cents...Stan

Stan,

Got to agree to disagree with your statements about the next generation of hobbiest. I understand about the " keeping it original " thing, but can you tell me how many present members on these Forums have collections of one or more 30's or 40's circa collector cars. If you can do so I will then be able to tell you how many people will be interested in keeping the integrity of our muscle cars after we have passed on. Do you happen to remember the " live for the moment thing ".

I honestly would prefer to see my time and money spent on what pleases me, and not what might please the next " so-called " Corvette generation.

Have a good one Stan,,

Stepinwolf

 

[grumpyvette]

having checked into the COST of those tri-power intake and carb combos Im forced to ask why anyone would spend well over $2400 for a combo when you can get a DUAL QUAD intake and carbs or even a complete EFI system for SIGNIFICANTLY less money

A FEW very limited examples

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stor...goryId=14295&parentCategoryId=10299&langId=-1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stor...goryId=21447&parentCategoryId=10299&langId=-1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stor...goryId=26259&parentCategoryId=11937&langId=-1

 

[Ron Miller]

Stan,

Got to agree to disagree with your statements about the next generation of hobbiest. I understand about the " keeping it original " thing, but can you tell me how many present members on these Forums have collections of one or more 30's or 40's circa collector cars. If you can do so I will then be able to tell you how many people will be interested in keeping the integrity of our muscle cars after we have passed on. Do you happen to remember the " live for the moment thing ".

I honestly would prefer to see my time and money spent on what pleases me, and not what might please the next " so-called " Corvette generation.

Have a good one Stan,,

Stepinwolf

Heartily concur!! Jump over to the C5 and later forums and you'll see what most of the later enthusiasts are interested in!!! A lot of difference in most of you guys, it appears to me. I'll stick with what pleases me, let someone else worry about what they want to do with my cars when they're passed on down!!

 

[IH2LOSE]

having checked into the COST of those tri-power intake and carb combos Im forced to ask why anyone would spend well over $2400 for a combo when you can get a DUAL QUAD intake and carbs or even a complete EFI system for SIGNIFICANTLY less money


I can only answer for my self.

Allthough my above post may lead you to belive I am performance orientated,I am not. I am installing this set up purely for the cool factor.

Price was not a deciding factor,

Performance was not a factor.

Pure looks was the only deciding factor,and trying to keep my car differant from the othe 62's in my area. I mean how many big Blck tri powered 62's will a person see

 

[stepinwolf]

having checked into the COST of those tri-power intake and carb combos Im forced to ask why anyone would spend well over $2400 for a combo when you can get a DUAL QUAD intake and carbs or even a complete EFI system for SIGNIFICANTLY less money

A FEW very limited examples

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=14295&parentCategoryId=10299&langId=-1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=21447&parentCategoryId=10299&langId=-1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=26259&parentCategoryId=11937&langId=-1

Hey, Grumpy,

If we only spent logically, more then half the Forum members, would no longer be building cars, myself included. The tri-power thing, " as you well know " bring us back to the 60's vintage era, where they were regularly seen, and that to-day we associate with what big horse power looked like back then.

I have yet to see two by fours, or electronic injection in our 60's era muscle cars, so although they are great for a resto rod ( I'll be the first to admit it ) it's not the cool look, a lot are looking for. Besides, with to-days fuel costs, it will be nice to run massive cubes, on two barrels, except when we stomp that green pedal on the right hand side.

Stepinwolf

 

[Stan's Customs]

Stepinwolf..

Well I guess you could say that I am confused...you built a near perfect original by the description..(can't get the pics), but indicate that is really not worth doing except to be judged.

I guess the collectors of 30's and 40's vintage cars would have something to say about this....even though I'm sure that they don't have the following of the muscle era...which is still thriving in new generations after 40 years, and still getting stronger.

I guess I can't really can't group the muscle cars with anything else...they are in a league by themselves in my view. I also came up driving them everyday....and know that my children understand the significence of near original muscle car...be it numbers matching or not. My son is appalled that I would consider anything else other than original (more or less) when we discuss the '61 I'm trying to decide how to build.....as are all my nephews...ranging in ages from 30 to 50. My teenage grandchildren like the "old stuff" as they call it too...

For them I might go the expense...but to be judged, I don't have the time. Unfortunately my car will not be anywhere close to original...not really even a consideration....just not enough there to do it with, within reason.

What I was referring to is maintaining near original drivers...(not perfect original restored show specimens)....to be driven and enjoyed today... and to be driven and enjoyed the way they made history...tomorrow. This is important to me and I consider it a responsibility...in fact I just can't do otherwise, when possible.

Another thing...I'm use to thinking in about the C1 projects...which has even fewer survivors....which I would surely have a hard time not keeping near original if it were a complete car.

I guess I'm just stirring the pot...which was not my intent, so I'll stop here. Just trying to support Barry a little and explain my thoughts..

As you said... it is a forum for differing opinions and the exchange of friendly ideas and information, and the quality of the members is what makes it such a good one.

...Have a great day too, respectfully...Stan

 

[Kid_Again]

Although I normally enjoy poking fun at the "original" crowd (what with me now putting a DeWitt's electric fan and electric water pump on my "totally correct # match" small block), I'll resist the temptation at this time......

....I had a factory tripower setup on my original 427 JUST BECAUSE i liked it...at one of the "other" places, SWCDuke ****ed all over the tripower as nothing more than a marketing ploy...when you get a chance, take a look at one of the recent mag articles (i THINK it was CHP) where they did a side-by-side HP/torque comparison of the BG sbc tripower vs. a dual plane 4bbl setup and the 4bbl beat the tripower setup at just about every point measured...it MUST be a limitaiton of the manifold....WHATEVER, i like the looks of a tripower...


it's only a matter of time before i give in and put a blower on that liddle block and CONTIUNE to advertise it as #match car otfl


...ALTHOUGH, i'm STILL waiting for VNV or JL66RDCPE to tell me which hood I can use to clear the blower/carb setup

 

[stepinwolf]

Although I normally enjoy poking fun at the "original" crowd (what with me now putting a DeWitt's electric fan and electric water pump on my "totally correct # match" small block), I'll resist the temptation at this time......

....I had a factory tripower setup on my original 427 JUST BECAUSE i liked it...at one of the "other" places, SWCDuke ****ed all over the tripower as nothing more than a marketing ploy...when you get a chance, take a look at one of the recent mag articles (i THINK it was CHP) where they did a side-by-side HP/torque comparison of the BG sbc tripower vs. a dual plane 4bbl setup and the 4bbl beat the tripower setup at just about every point measured...it MUST be a limitaiton of the manifold....WHATEVER, i like the looks of a tripower...


it's only a matter of time before i give in and put a blower on that liddle block and CONTIUNE to advertise it as #match car otfl


...ALTHOUGH, i'm STILL waiting for VNV or JL66RDCPE to tell me which hood I can use to clear the blower/carb setup

Sorry Kid, :nono

but you got your numbers wrong. The following is a direct quote from the magasine article, and it reads like this ,,,

When set-up correctly, the Six-Shooter Triple D induction is flat-out one of the best-looking and -performing induction systems period. During prototype testing, the Six-Shooter made outstanding power on a 350. At 5,800 rpm and 4,400 rpm, the Triple D made 13 more peak horse-power and 12 more lb-ft of torque than an industry-leading single-four-barrel manifold design. With such impressive numbers coming from a nostalgic design, we just had to test one of these triple-carb deals for ourselves.

If you wish, you may read the complete article at the following link
http://chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/0510ch_spot/

Stepinwolf

 

[Stan's Customs]

Kid..

In the link on the first post...is another link to an article on similar comparisons you mention...however the 3 deuces beat out the single carb over all and especially up to 4500 rpm. I was very surprised about this because a friends experience with the 2x4 Edlebrock set up was very poor.....in fact I have never seen any multiple carb setup that performed nearly as good a good single carb set up.

Were it not for that article and the good idle characteristics from the middle two barrel...I wouldn't have looked at it further.

...other than it is '60's vintage cool, and a sharp combination.

Check it out...Stan..

 

[Stan's Customs]

Oops , Stepinwolf beat my post...nevermind, heh heh..