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Rear Wheel Bearing Service - C2

4WDVETTE

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Anyone have a good step by step servicing proceedure for the C2 rear wheel bearings? The chassis service manual is not the best on this topic- in my opinion. I am not afraid to dig in without guidance but, just thought I would ask before I do something stupid.

Steve
 
4WDVETTE said:
Anyone have a good step by step servicing proceedure for the C2 rear wheel bearings? The chassis service manual is not the best on this topic- in my opinion. I am not afraid to dig in without guidance but, just thought I would ask before I do something stupid.

Steve
Hi! Steve



I completed rebuilt the rear trailing arms during the 65 restoration project and unless you have the correct tools and equipment it is a very difficult task. I am currently restoring a 63-SWC and this is the only process except for the machine work on the engine that I have farmed out. There are a couple of vendors that specialize in this type of work and their prices seem reasonable.

Good Luck!
Ray
 
67heaven - thanks for the link. Great step-by-step. Lots of other good info on the site as well.

61 silver - I have access to most any tool I need so I should be fine. Been working with a NASCAR Busch North team for about 10 years now. Just need time to fit the Vette work in.

Thanks again,

Steve
 
67HEAVEN said:


That'll get your rear wheel bearing assembly off the car, but won't get the spindle out and new bearings in and properly set up. You can do this job yourself, too, but I'd recommend sending the assembly in to have it done. I've done it myself, takes a lot of time and proper tools, not sure it's worth it in the long run, unless you're like me and just want to say you did it yourself.

Best Wishes,

:beer
 
Ron Miller said:
That'll get your rear wheel bearing assembly off the car, but won't get the spindle out and new bearings in and properly set up.
:beer

Ron,

That's because VanSteel wants you to send them in to them for service. ;)

Steve sounds like he'll be okay from that point on. If not, a local machine shop will be able to press them in and out for him.

:w
 
67HEAVEN said:
Ron,

That's because VanSteel wants you to send them in to them for service. ;)

Steve sounds like he'll be okay from that point on. If not, a local machine shop will be able to press them in and out for him.

:w

Exactly. And pressing them in and out isn't the problem. Getting them properly set up with the right clearance is, and unless you have the tools to do it properly, you may wind up pressing them in and out more than once. Which is also why VanSteel wants you to send them in to them.

Getting the assembly off the car is actually the easier part of the job, IMO.

:beer
 
Steve,

Here's a detailed look at the disassembly and reassembly of the rear bearings written by none other than our own Hib Halverson (his Big Block from Hell series).

Hib said:
The rear wheel bearings on ’65-’82 Corvettes present more of a service problem because of their substantial interference fit to the axles and the use of specific shims rather than an adjusting nut to set clearance. When we say "substantial" press fit, we mean it. I’ve watched technicians try to disassemble the rear bearing stack using a hydraulic press capable of 20 tons pressure. I once even saw a guy, pushed to desperation, break the cage off the rollers, then remove the inner bearing race with a cutting torch–yes, my friends, the flaming hack saw–and he did it without damaging the axle.

Whether you are successful in removing the old bearings or need to buy new axles from Chevrolet (p/n 3872476); we suggest reducing the diameter of the bearing locations such that the 20-ton press fit becomes a tight slip fit requiring only stout smack with dead-blow hammer to install the bearing and a small press to remove them. The amount material you remove is about .0003 in., (that’s three ten-thousandths of an inch). This is best done with a strip of medium grit sandpaper. Standard Abrasives Motorsports, 240-grit, 2 in. wide Handy Rolls work great except for their 50-yard lengths. Hopefully you can find a retailer who will sell you a strip a couple of feet long for your axle job. Spin the axle with the lathe. Hold the strip tightly at both ends then apply the center to the axle.

However, do not just cut the axles down .0003 in. and put the bearing stack together. Our measurement is only a starting point. Cut the axles to near our figure then try on the bearings. If the fit is still tight; "trial-and-error it" until you get it right. Use caution, if you cut too much; you buy more axles. You will need a vernier or digital micrometer to make the measurements.

After the shaft diameter reduction; check the flanges as they, also, have a part in the cumulative run-out problem. We’ve seen as much as .003 in. on brand new parts–all it takes is some errant, warehouse wonk dropping a box containing an axle. Used pieces? Doug Norrdin told us they can be worse, as much as (gulp) .010 in. run-out!

There is no factory spec for axle flanges, but we feel maximum acceptable is .002 with 0-.0005 desirable. To measure this properly, the axle should be indexed in a lathe, then the flange run-out measured with a dial indicator. In our case, the two new axles we ordered from Chevrolet each were perfect…zero run out.

If you find run-out more than .002; remove the wheel studs, then have a machinist true the outer surface of the axle flange. If the axles are new, reinstall the studs; if you are reusing your old axles; install new studs.

Chevrolet cites a rear wheel bearing clearance range of .001-.008 in. and further states that, if the clearance is within those specs; adjustment is unnecessary. Not. That’s a really dumb recommendation. If you have bearings near the factory-accepted maximum, your brake disc run out is .004 and your axle flange is off by, say, .003 (.007+.004+.003 equals, ah–.014); you’d have an air pumping problem. That large range makes us wonder if, back in the old days, the folks writing these specs were aware of air pumping and if they ever drove or fixed Corvettes.

The ideal situation is to set the rear bearings at .0005-.001. However, since Chevrolet only makes the shims available in .006 in. increments (again, people making decisions long ago didn’t drive or fix these cars–thank god they’re retired), there’s only a slim chance that you’ll hit the magic number. The solution? Adjust the thickness of your rear bearing shims such that they become "specific-fit" devices and rear bearing clearance ends up .001-in.

Use the existing shim as a base line. Assemble the bearing stack, but leave out the inner and outer seals and do not pack the bearings. Add the inner u-joint flange and tighten the nut.

As you tighten the nut, you must constantly feel for bearing tightness by rotating the carrier as you pull down the nut. The reason for this is, if your shim is too small, the bearings will reach zero clearance before the nut reaches its suggested torque figure of 100 ft/lbs. It that happens; you can destroy the bearings. If the bearing tightens up before you reach 100 ft/lbs. Stop! Find out what’s wrong, first.

If all is well, once you’ve got the nut at 100 ft/lbs, measure the clearance. From that number, subtract .001-in. then add the result to your existing shim. If that sum is the same as an available shim (1-in-6 chance, you lucky dog, you!), install that shim and recheck the clearance. Example:

.007 measured clearance .127 existing shim (p/n 3820228)

-.001 desired clearance -.006 clearance reduction

.006 clearance reduction .121 desired shim (p/n 3820229)

If the sum is not the same as an available shim, pick the shim of the next larger thickness above your computed, desired shim and use a surface grinder to reduce the thickness of that unit to the thickness called for by your computations. Examples:

#1 .008 measured clearance .127 existing shim (p/n 3820228)

-.001 desired clearance -.007 clearance reduction

.007 clearance reduction .120 desired shim

#2 .121 next larger shim (p/n 3820229)

-.001 surface grind

.120 desired shim as in example #1 above



Check the clearance. If it’s correct, disassemble the stack, pack the bearings, install the seals and reassemble all this per the Service Manual. We recommend Loctite 242 to lock the bearings to the axles.

This trick works well in limiting bearing clearance and is very durable. In the case of the Big-Block from Hell, the rear bearing clearance had been set by its owner, using the above method, to .001, ten years and 20,000 miles previously and the chart we presented earlier show that the clearance held throughout that period.

All that was necessary during the work Global West did on this car, was to knock the Timkin bearings off the axles, clean and inspect them, repack the bearings, install new oil seals, Loctite the bearings and reassemble the bearing stack.

Have fun. ;)
 
Ol Blue said:
4wdvette

Some good instructions and pictures here.
http://www.montygwilliams.com/rearbearings.html

Ol Blue

Those are some good instructions and pictures, Blue. And a good indication of what is required to do a good job of installing and setting up the new bearings. Thanks for sharing the link with us!!
:beer
 
JohnZ said:
Nice page and pics, but unless I missed something, that process appears to utlilize slip-fit bearings like the early 63's that were recalled (spindle turned down?); not a great idea. :eyerole

I didn't think so, thought the bearings were seated with the bearing installation tool in the 18th photo, but I may be wrong. It's been a while since I've done one. (Will be quite a while before I do another, too!!!) Lacking the proper tools for setup and installation definitely makes the job more difficult for me.

But you certainly don't want a slip fit, races turning in housings or on spindles is not the way to go. For me, sending the assembly in and having it put together by someone with the proper tools is the only way to go, given the cost of the tools required and the infrequency of replacement needed.

:beer
 
WOW!! You guys never cease to amaze me! The amount of technical knowledge, pictures, and descriptions you all came up with is making me try to figure if I have the time to digest it all. Again, tools are not a problem. I have access to all I need. The question is - do I want to do it? For the challenge - I am not now totally convinced. I was talking to my father-in-law, who has done it by the torch method - ONCE! He is the type of guy who can knock a fly off his arm with the flame of a torch and not burn a single hair.


He chucked the spindles up in a lathe and used emery paper until the press on and off was more reasonable. He said no matter when I do it, he will be on vacation.

Thanks again for all the great info.

Steve
 
Ron Miller said:
I didn't think so, thought the bearings were seated with the bearing installation tool in the 18th photo, but I may be wrong.

I went back and checked again, and he's using torque on the spindle install tool to seat the outer bearing on the spindle (he installed the outer bearing and outer seal in the support first - didn't press the bearing on the spindle); no way in hell that tool will press on and seat an outer bearing on the spindle unless the spindle has been turned down. May be convenient, but I'd never have a turned-down spindle on my car. :eyerole
 
JohnZ said:
I went back and checked again, and he's using torque on the spindle install tool to seat the outer bearing on the spindle (he installed the outer bearing and outer seal in the support first - didn't press the bearing on the spindle); no way in hell that tool will press on and seat an outer bearing on the spindle unless the spindle has been turned down. May be convenient, but I'd never have a turned-down spindle on my car. :eyerole

I would assume from your quote above that you also wouldn't recommend the Hib Halverson method posted above? Not looking for conflict, just trying to educate myself a little.

I also went back & relooked at the post, agree that it looks as if he's using the install tool to seat the outer bearing. I know several of the old racers used to turn down the spindle for a slip fit, looks like that's what he may have done also. But old racers don't mind rebuilding engines and drive assemblies after a few races.

:beer
 
Ron Miller said:
I would assume from your quote above that you also wouldn't recommend the Hib Halverson method posted above?

No, I don't - there's a reason Chevy recalled the early 63's and made the spindle support/trailing arm manufacturing process MUCH more difficult and labor-intensive, on the fly, at Chevrolet-Warren. I worked for Chevrolet Engineering and Manufacturing for 21 years, and we didn't tear up an established manufacturing plant process on the fly during the model year unless there was a really serious problem (Proving Ground durability failures, in this instance). Wouldn't matter to racers who are inspecting and rebuilding things regularly, but normal customers generally pay zero attention to maintenance, and it's considered bad form to have the wheels fall off.
:beer
 
Growling/grinding noise, followed by heat/smoke, followed by the spindle separating at the outer bearing, followed by broken fiberglass as the rear wheel exits through the quarter panel aft of the wheel opening. The rear wheel bearing setup and assembly for proper end-play is probably the trickiest system on the whole car to do right, and there aren't any short-cuts.
:beer
 
JohnZ said:
Growling/grinding noise, followed by heat/smoke, followed by the spindle separating at the outer bearing, followed by broken fiberglass as the rear wheel exits through the quarter panel aft of the wheel opening. The rear wheel bearing setup and assembly for proper end-play is probably the trickiest system on the whole car to do right, and there aren't any short-cuts.
:beer

Is there an on-the-hoist early-warning check that could be performed every couple of thousand miles without dropping the half-shafts?
 

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