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Service Department RANT!

Intense

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03 C5 Convertible & 08 Z06
There are a lot of reasons that GM is in trouble and none of them are going to be easy to fix. As a customer I have a complaint about GM service departments that I would like to have addressed while they are trying to clean up their act.

I have purchased and driven GM vehicles since 1965. Most of them have been Corvettes. I think they are great cars and both quality and performance has improved by leaps and bounds over the years. While it isn’t always a pleasant experience negotiating the purchase I have learned to deal with the sales organization. With the help of the internet I feel that I can, at least, get a fair price from an honest dealer.

Looking back over the years, however, I cannot recall ever having had a pleasant, positive experience with a service department. I try to do my part by purchasing the GMPP extended warranty sold by the dealer so that any vehicle defects should be addressed with a minimum of hassle. GM customers are led to believe that most everything will be repaired at no cost under these warranties.

When I have to take the vehicle in for repair the initial contact with the service advisor is usually pleasant. Things often go down hill from there. Because of the quantity of cars returned for service/repair each day it is almost impossible to have a problem addressed and/or fixed, or even looked at while you wait. This means you have to have someone pick you up from the dealership and take you somewhere while your car is waiting to be looked at or you have to wait for dealer provided transportation to take you somewhere on their schedule and at their convenience. Then you have to deal with the same process at the end of the day to get back to the dealership to pick up your car.

As a customer I view the service advisor as my representative to the dealership and feel they should represent my interests and assure that I am satisfied and that I have a positive experience. Unfortunately, I get the impression that the dealership mouths the words “customer satisfaction” but that they don’t have that very high on their priority list. It is rare that I take the car in that the service advisor doesn’t find some reason that I have to pay for something. If it isn’t an extended warranty co-pay it is something that is not covered or some service that they feel needs to be performed. It seems that the dealerships are trying to turn the service advisor into a sales person for the service department. Not very good for customer relations.

The last time I took my 2008 ZO6 to the dealer was for a “service engine soon” light. Getting the problem corrected took ½ day of my time, a $100 fee and an attempt by the female service advisor to convince me I needed to have my oil changed even though the DIC said I was 35% away from the recommended service interval.
 
The last time I took my 2008 ZO6 to the dealer was for a “service engine soon” light. Getting the problem corrected took ½ day of my time, a $100 fee and an attempt by the female service advisor to convince me I needed to have my oil changed even though the DIC said I was 35% away from the recommended service interval.
If your car has less than 36,000 miles,You got took for $100!!!:D:D:D

2008 Coevette has 3 year/36,000 mi. Bumper to Bumper and 5year/100,000 mi. Power Train!!

:thumb :upthumbs
 
:welcome Intense.

I have had a few encounters with service departments simmilar to what you have described, but all in all, my encounters with Chevrolet service departments have been pretty good. I bought a new '04 Colorado with just the standard warranty. After 30,000 miles, the clutch started to go out. I took the truck to the dealership, and they replaced it with no complaints even though the clutch is obviously not a warranty item.

I have taken my 'Vette into the dealership once, and it went pretty well, no hidden charges, and no one trying to get me to approve un-needed maintenance.

Previous to my '08 C6 I owned an '04 BMW 325. There are 2 BMW dealerships in my area. The service department at the bigger one was much like what you described, Intense. They didnt want to cover anything under warranty, quibbled over everything. The other BMW dealership was the exact opposite. They gave me a loaner car, had no problems covering warranty issues, and their customer service was great.

I think you just need to find a dealership with a good service department and stick with them.

:thumb Jason
 
If your car has less than 36,000 miles,You got took for $100!!!:D:D:D

2008 Coevette has 3 year/36,000 mi. Bumper to Bumper and 5year/100,000 mi. Power Train!!

:thumb :upthumbs

In this instance they were justified in charging me something, maybe not $100. The code was caused by an aftermarket part I had installed on the car. I'm convinced that was the cause of the code but I don't agree totally with their diagnosis.

They traced the fault to the 1-4 skip shift eliminator I had installed the first day I received the car. They removed the resistor, reset the code and charged me $100.

I asked for the part (shouldn't have had to ask for it) took it home and put a multimeter on it. I didn't see anything wrong with it. I reinstalled it and it works fine. I suspicion that the computer realized the 1-4 skip shift wasn't being activated and at some point threw the code. I don't think there was ever anything wrong. I think the dealership could have reset the code without ever removing the part and everything would have been OK.

In their view since the "problem" was caused by an aftermarket part they didn't want it on the car and charged me for removing it and reseting the code. I would have felt a lot better about it if they had just told me what had caused the code, reset things and sent me home without a charge. That's just not the way things work I guess.
 
my father took his vett ein after its first week for a very slight front end shimy, when they took the car out they took it up to 140 some odd mph on a road not meant for that kind of speed and tried to deny it but hard to with a gps unit behind the seat that records max speed..... my father always does stuff like that for his own reasons. he is still mad as hell about that and has free oil changes from them but would never take the car to them ever again.......

im in a ford dealership with my bosses fairly new expedition couple years back (chief of police unmarked car) they had a gt in the garage so i was in ther lookin at it when i hear a horrific crash followed by another, i tuen around the service guy drove the expidition in like a maniac and ddint wait till the garage door was all the way up and smashed the hell out of the roof of the truck, then panics and smashes broad side into a brand new taurus in getting prepped for sale..... i was talking to the service manager at the time and pulled out my pistool and asked him if he wanted to borrow it trying not to laugh much harder than i was already.

then of course i get yelled at when i have to tell my boss they wrecked his truck...... and i still didnt get a ride in the gt!
 
These are all neat wonderful stories, here's mine. I have a 2006 Z06. I've had my complimentary first oil change done @ 85% oil life. (That's right 85%!)They thought it was a little "early" but I urged them to do it. (Glad I did.) The dealership did an exemplary job and placed protective liners on the seat, steering wheel, shifter and pedals. The service writer was pleasant and professional. She knows 'Vettes. I have a "skip~shift" eliminator on my car as well. No codes, no problems at all. I did have an "active handling activated" while downtown once, so I drove to the dealership (4:30pm) and they took me right away (recall). I began to make arrangements for transportation home when they told me the car was done. (Maybe 20 minutes tops.) I drove home in my freshly washed car. 3 weeks ago I had a wheel bearing commiting suicide on the left front. The dealership told me they were on national back order so they used a special VIP code to get me the sealed unit. It was there by 10am the next day. The unit was installed and the car aligned by noon. They came to my home so I could get my car. Once again, it was detailed gratis. If I have a problem, any problem, I'll take my car to the dealership where I bought my car.

Funny thing is, I always tell the service writer (Victoria) that I don't really need the car in a hurry! This seems to get it to me even faster. Weird? Yes,but it works.

I do change my own oil as I do oil analysis everytime. Besides, it's fun to "get under the car" every once in a while.

I think the OP has unrealistic expectations regarding their dealership.:eyerole
 
hey ive had plenty of great expieriences with dealerships... wide world of cars where my father buys his bmw's from is an absolute pleasure to deal with... the ford dealership i dealt with before i switched to the bow tie was awesome, but i honestly havent found a GM dealer yet that im overly impressed with all around. my local dealer is great for changing oil and cleaning your windshield but no one there i would trust under the hood realyy
 
Since 1986 I have had 5 new GM cars, and 86 Camaro, 87 Firebird and a 1993,1996 and 2000 Pontiac Bonneville. Each one was a nightmare getting service at the dealer. I actually was beginning to believe that its normal to buy a new car, drive it around to “work the bugs out” and bring it back with your list of issues weeks later. The service department always made me feel as if they were looking for some way to invalidate my new car warranty, and the first thing they would always ask is “Did you buy the car here?” As if they can’t tell where it was purchased and why would it matter anyway?

I also learned the hard way never to let the dealers wash your car.

On the opposite end of the spectrum – I just never had to bring my 07 Camry in for anything after 47,000 miles.
 
...I think the OP has unrealistic expectations regarding their dealership.:eyerole

Perhaps. Perhaps not. We should all expect that business people do the right thing... and hold them accountable to it!

Many times it is the LEADERSHIP who drive the train and steer the attitudes and decisions of the subordinates. Dealerships that are led by competent, honorable business people will always be shining stars. They understand customer service and how detrimental bad service is to the reputation.

In short, a dealer really has only one thing that identifies them as special. Its not the product- it is the brand image of the dealer itself. Good or bad- that image is what the dealer can trade on- not the cars.

Recently, a good friend brought her daughter's Jeep into a dealer. The jeep had an intermittent, low idle speed stall issue. The dealer put it up on a lift (never even checked the computer for codes) and convinced my friend that she needed $1,000 in parts to fix a power steering leak and a transfer case leak. The dealer gave her the impression that was the problem and if she spent that kinda money- her car would be repaired. Needless to say, those repairs had NO BEARING on the root cause. My friend had to take her car to another mechanic to get the problem resolved. The issue was an O2 sensor that needed to be replaced and a computer that needed to be wiped clean after.

The first dealer had a business model based upon profit and ensuring every customer walked out with a huge tab. The second was focused on taking care of the customer and solving problems.
 
Hi there,
Noone really expected me to ignore this post, did they???

The truth is that dealerships are very difficult at times, even my own.

Having been with 3 different ones and having many job offers from others has shed light to many different issues.

I, as a service technician, am only that.
I cannot control what the service advisor says, how management charges or does not charge, or how the dealership treats customers.
I can ONLY control what I DO, and how I treat the customer.
My first course of action is to get to know each owner individually.
Every single Corvette owner is different and perceives a 'good service experience' in a different way.
Im not very personable outside of work, but listening to the customers expectations and the problems they have is paramount. In that environment, SERVICE CARE, listening is key.
Give me the facts, mods, situations for the problems your having and what you expect up front and I will serve you to the best of my ability.
I will communicate my abilities and what I intend IN FRONT of the service advisor and the customer, so there is NO misunderstanding.

Unfortunately, warranty service work at the dealership level isnt really profitable for them so they will try to upsell different work and work around warranty repairs.

People say, "GM tried to sell me other work." Its not GM, each dealership is a franchise and if you do NOT like what your hearing or experiencing, its your CHOICE to go to a different one.

If you have any doubt about what your service advisor or technician is telling you, ask for documentation to support their view from GM.

Get to know your service department from the moment you purchase your car, ask if any of the service technicians are "GM world class certified", and meet the service manager. Develop a working relationship with the service department, it will always pay off.

Going in with an attitude of 'they are going to rip me off' will never achieve anything.

And if you dont like their way of doing business, move on.
Allthebest, c4c5
 
And if you dont like their way of doing business, move on.
Allthebest, c4c5


Not so easy -
I was always asked if I purchased my car at dealer I was looking for service from . Seems I was sent to the back of line If I wanted work done at another dealer - but it has been years since I needed service at a GM dealer.
 
Not so easy -
I was always asked if I purchased my car at dealer I was looking for service from . Seems I was sent to the back of line If I wanted work done at another dealer - but it has been years since I needed service at a GM dealer.

i had a similar expieience at a subaru dealer with my ex-brother in law, seems even though it was a brand new car under warranty (and since he recently moved here he couldnt go to his purchasing dealership) he was allowed to make an "appointment" but if someone who purchased thier car there came in thye got put ahead of him. because of this i would never in my life buy a subaru, im sure its not that way at every dealer but sitting there for 6 hours with him on one day, having to pay a cab $100.00 to get us home and driving back the next day only to find he got bumped again while we were in transit..... almost drove me to climb a clock tower! let alone never buy one of those damn cars
 
Customers who purchase the vehicles from dealership that they are servicing at, expect that because they purchased it there, service will be a priority.
AS IT SHOULD BE FOR ALL CUSTOMERS, REGARDLESS.
One of the perks for our dealership is free loaner cars with a scheduled service appointment, WITH THE PURCHASE of a vehicle from the dealership.
You may not always find the lowest price at my dealership, but NOWHERE WILL YOU GET BETTER SERVICE>
However, profitability for serving Corvette, especially if they are not correctly trained is not much.
Being the most complex in the vehicle line, except for HYBRID, Corvette requires alot.
There are many service options.
But once you find someone you can talk to, relate to and dialogue with, DONT LEAVE THEM.
Allthebest, c4c5
 
Hi there,
Noone really expected me to ignore this post, did they???

The truth is that dealerships are very difficult at times, even my own.

Having been with 3 different ones and having many job offers from others has shed light to many different issues.

I, as a service technician, am only that.
I cannot control what the service advisor says, how management charges or does not charge, or how the dealership treats customers.
I can ONLY control what I DO, and how I treat the customer.
My first course of action is to get to know each owner individually.
Every single Corvette owner is different and perceives a 'good service experience' in a different way.
Im not very personable outside of work, but listening to the customers expectations and the problems they have is paramount. In that environment, SERVICE CARE, listening is key.
Give me the facts, mods, situations for the problems your having and what you expect up front and I will serve you to the best of my ability.
I will communicate my abilities and what I intend IN FRONT of the service advisor and the customer, so there is NO misunderstanding.

Unfortunately, warranty service work at the dealership level isnt really profitable for them so they will try to upsell different work and work around warranty repairs.

People say, "GM tried to sell me other work." Its not GM, each dealership is a franchise and if you do NOT like what your hearing or experiencing, its your CHOICE to go to a different one.

If you have any doubt about what your service advisor or technician is telling you, ask for documentation to support their view from GM.

Get to know your service department from the moment you purchase your car, ask if any of the service technicians are "GM world class certified", and meet the service manager. Develop a working relationship with the service department, it will always pay off.

Going in with an attitude of 'they are going to rip me off' will never achieve anything.

And if you dont like their way of doing business, move on.
Allthebest, c4c5

It's unfortunate, but this is how it is. I consider myself lucky,because of a fellow CAC member, I've found an excellant dealership, Bryner Chevrolet in Jenkintown, PA which is 40 miles from my home, but they treat me like I bought a $50.000 car and not an idiot. So I go the extra distance. The dealership is 60 years old selling Chevy's since the 30's and I had the owner call me once to make sure I was happy with the work done. The dealership has one expert mechanic who works on corvettes and corvettes only. Both he and the service manager is always willing to take as much time as is necessary to satisfy my questions. But I like you have had some really disappointing servce visits, but each dealership is a separate company, Conversly, this is something General Motors needs to take under review if they are going to continue in business. Bad or poor service on anything from telephone service to buying a house really depends on how the customer is treated the FIRST time the need arises. The 21 centruy marketplace is changing and loyality is rewarded to those who earn it.
 
I've owned Dodge ,Ford ,Chev and a few Volvos .I don't ever leaving a dealership PO'd .Most of what C4 C5 specialist is correct .It takes two to dance.

As my father told me "the man with the check book is in control"
 
I consider myself lucky,because of a fellow CAC member, I've found an excellant dealership, Bryner Chevrolet in Jenkintown, PA which is 40 miles from my home, but they treat me like I bought a $50.000 car and not an idiot. So I go the extra distance. The dealership is 60 years old selling Chevy's since the 30's and I had the owner call me once to make sure I was happy with the work done. The dealership has one expert mechanic who works on corvettes and corvettes only. Both he and the service manager is always willing to take as much time as is necessary to satisfy my questions.

Same as killian, I am fortunate that I live in an area that has a dealership (Bryner Chevrolet) that provides great service to the Corvette community and is also a sponsor of the local Corvette Club (CCDV). Bryner Chevrolet provides top notch service and will get your car taken car of in a timely manner.
 
Be sure to "take care of" your service writer during the holiday season. In my case this requires Patrone tequila for her. She will "go to bat" for me, if the need arises. She's quite knowledgeable regarding the LS7 engine. A lot more than the sales dept! We were talking about the benefits of the 12 degree angle of the valves in the LS7 heads recently.
 
Be sure to "take care of" your service writer during the holiday season. In my case this requires Patrone tequila for her. She will "go to bat" for me, if the need arises. She's quite knowledgeable regarding the LS7 engine. A lot more than the sales dept! We were talking about the benefits of the 12 degree angle of the valves in the LS7 heads recently.


im glad ive never had to get to know a service tech that well...... we take care of the garbage man, the post man, the ups and fed ex guys, the insurance lady... 5 different sales reps. 5 different delivery guys, the list goes on and on..... god i hate christmas sometimes
 
I know I'm a bit late coming into this conversation, but I wanted to relate my experiences with dealership service departments on my '06 Vert.

The dealership I purchased my car from is located near Brighton, CO, which means taking to that dealership for service isn't entirely practical. The shortest route for me to take to get there is to take a 40-minute drive up a toll-road completely around the Denver metro area. (The round trip toll charges alone are $14). In point of fact, the only time I've taken my Corvette back there was to take advantage of a "thank you purchasing from us" free oil change.

Within 15 minutes of where I live, however, are two Chevrolet dealerships. In October, I posted my accounts in THIS THREAD of an ongoing problem I had for a year involving a recurring power drain. The first three times I took my Vette in to get this problem fixed, I took it to a dealership that's literally within walking distance of my place. And each time, the same problem recurred.

Not happy with the answers I was getting, and taking a look at the fact that by this past October, I'd had three different batteries installed over the course of a year, I decided to take it to a different dealership. I brought the car in at 7:00 AM. I got a call at work by 10:00 AM that problem had been diagnosed and fixed. I picked the car up at noon, and the work was entirely done under warrantee.

The dealership that finally diagnosed and fixed the problem certainly had no obligation to 'fast-track' my repair, but it seemed to me like they had, and I'm very appreciative they did. I came to find out, a few weeks after the problem had been resolved, that the dealership I had taken my Corvette to three times over the course of a year to get the problem fixed had lost its Service Department Manager some time ago, and due to budget issues, had not refilled the position. I had been using that dealership primarily because of their proximity to me, and the convenience that proximity offered. But it became apparently that trumping that convenience factor was the fact that this first dealership had a service staff that did not have a leader running that department, and perhaps because of that, was not keeping up to date on TSB's and critical information coming out on known service issues for Chevrolet product.

The point? Not all dealerships are equal. Some dealerships will simply put less emphasis on the service part of the dealership than they do on the sales part. And the only way you're going to know which dealerships are the best at service after a sale is to look around. A little hint I've learned: Corvette clubs are a great source of advice from folks have done that 'looking around' for dealerships with strong service departments.

:w
-Patrick
 

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