Simplicity, Am I The Only One??

[Ken]

And age shouldn't stop anyone from enjoying vintage muscle... :cool

 

[Ken]

Walt's in his seventies; the woman with the '57 is in her eighties! :cool

 

[theblackvette]

Looks like the coast is clear!
Air Raid sirens are off!
Everyone can come out now!!!!!

 

[67HEAVEN]

 

[theblackvette]

Where the hell are we, Kuwait!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Z06 sirens are sounding again!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone take cover!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mac]

Hey, I'm here by invitation!! :L

Roadfrog, my car is an example of what you're describing. Whoever ordered it wanted only one thing- to go fast. Ain't got no power windows, ain't got no power brake, ain't got no power nothin' but it got what it takes.

You wanna talk about an engine compartment that's easy to work in... no a/c, no brake booster, no p/s, just a thumping old L82 (the higher output 350 available that year).

-Mac

 

[ScatRat]

The current SAE horsepower ratings with all options installed started in about 1971. The horsepower ratings, on average, dropped by about 39% because of the new system. If the old system is used, the ZO6 would possibly be rated at about 560 horses at the crank. So, if we yank all the modern conveniences out of our Vettes, we'd get some of that power back? Hmmmmm.....

 

[Ken]

Although the standard for rating horsepower has been available for over 200 years, clever car manufacturers have found ways to change the ratings of their engines to suit their needs. During the famous horsepower wars of the 1960s, manufacturers could get higher figures by testing without auxiliary items such as alternators or even water pumps. High ratings backfired when insurance companies noticed them and started to charge more for what they saw as a higher risk. Manufacturers sometimes responded by listing lower horsepower figures, forcing enthusiasts to look at the magazine test reports to determine what was going on. In the early seventies the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) stepped in with standardized test procedures and the fiqures were more consistent.

News Articles



Revised SAE Horsepower Standard to Give Confidence to Consumers


New York October 24, 2003

According to consumer advocacy groups, many carmakers have joined in a trend of inflating horsepower claims in recent history. To address this issue, the Society for Automotive Engineers (SAE), an ANSI member and accredited standards developer, is revising a standard to verify car manufacturers’ claims for the power of their engines. Adherence to the revised standards will help to give consumers more confidence in their assessment of vehicles that best meet their needs.


Horsepower is defined as work done over time. One horsepower is the amount of power necessary to lift 550 pounds 1 foot in 1 second, or 33,000 lb.ft./minute. In automobiles, torque measures the turning force generated at the wheels. A high horsepower rating generally indicates higher top speeds, while torque signifies a vehicle's acceleration and ability to pull heavy loads.

Automakers can test for horsepower and torque in a variety of ways. SAE J1349 Engine Power Test Code – Spark Ignition and Compression Ignition – Net Power Rating Standard specifies a basis for net engine power rating, and a method for determining net full load engine power with a dynamometer. A dynamometer places a load on the engine and measures the amount of power that the engine can produce against the load.

The current test, which originated in the early '70s and was last reviewed in 1995, allows automakers to claim horsepower and torque figures higher than what most owners will actually experience. The SAE Power Test Code Committee – chaired by David Landcaster, General Motors Corp. engineering group manager – is revising its standard for measuring horsepower and may suggest that automakers have an independent observer verify the numbers they claim for horsepower and torque. The standard will also set a procedure for how to test torque, which is also heavily advertised by car manufacturers.

According to SAE, the revised standard is expected to be written by the end of the year. An SAE advisory committee will then decide whether to adopt the procedure and the use of outside witnesses, such as Underwriters Laboratories Inc., to verify automakers' claims. Although manufacturers are generally expected to base their horsepower ratings on SAE net power standards, the practice is voluntary and horsepower numbers presented in advertising and brochures aren't always accurate. Jaguar, Hyundai, BMW, Ford and Mazda are among manufacturers that have made exaggerated claims.

Here's a pretty good article regarding horsepower and they methods of measuring same: Horsepower: Making It Add Up

 

[67HEAVEN]

You wanna talk about an engine compartment that's easy to work in... no a/c, no brake booster, no p/s, just a thumping old L82 (the higher output 350 available that year).

-Mac

Mine didn't even come with a smog pump. Only California cars came with that in '67. My one and only concession to anti-smog is the PCV.

Even with the honkin'-big big block, there's damn near enough room to climb inside the engine compartment and close the hood. Changing all eight plugs takes about 20 minutes. No smog-pump, no AIR, no power steering. Just lots of go.

 

[Mac]

Mine's the same- no smog pump, no cats, no Cali-pornia nonsense. 1973s had an induction hood (ala L88) and no silly wiper doors.

Car equation- lots of cool fresh air + four barrels of fun = get up & gone. My old girl might not be a Z06 but she's the best of her day and she's paid for.

-Mac

 

[Ken]

... Cali-pornia

This from Mac, of all people who I'd least expect... :eyerole

:t

 

[67HEAVEN]

This from Mac, of all people who I'd least expect... :eyerole

:t

That's because you don't know the real Mac.

 

[Roadfrog]

BV,

In case you haven't noticed, I attract mods for some reason....must be my wise azz???:L

RF

Wow! Another mod/administrator here!

Welcome Ken! I don't think I have seen this many mods here.

I hope the Z06 section hasn't received any complaints, hence the mods here now! Not that it is a bad thing.

 

[Roadfrog]

Tony,

By the grace of God, my career led me OUT of Texas!! There are, however one or two dozen neat people left though...fire away!!

All sorts of muscle items to be had in the older days in the 60's you could get on a brand new car. When i was younger i ran across a 71 Vette pretty stripped down on options.. that was a funny feeling driving with no power steering, no AC, no power brakes and a 4 speed with a TOUGH clutch. Talk about putting it in netural at redlights..LOL.. Yeah i MISS the good old cars and days, but i agree that you cant beat the Z06 and the muscle coming out of it with all the options including AC..HEY Roadfrog you must not live in Texas..LOL.. it gets HOT here and we Texans appreciate that AC. not many months that are cold here and mostly humid, hot and just a few weeks of nice cool nights and days in a year.

OH let them at least make it an option to build your own muscle car, headers, cams, lets see your guys choices you would add to build a muscle car from the factory as if you were walking into the dealership to order it.

good topic.. I love cars alot.. probally tooooo much..

 

[Roadfrog]

You're right, Mac. All I want is to go fast, get to fast quick, and be able to go around a corner reasonably well. Could that be why I bought a ZO6???

I'll be in B. C. soon. Make sure your car is locked up. I hunt well....

Hey, I'm here by invitation!! :L

Roadfrog, my car is an example of what you're describing. Whoever ordered it wanted only one thing- to go fast. Ain't got no power windows, ain't got no power brake, ain't got no power nothin' but it got what it takes.

You wanna talk about an engine compartment that's easy to work in... no a/c, no brake booster, no p/s, just a thumping old L82 (the higher output 350 available that year).

-Mac

 

[theblackvette]

I think the coast is clear again!
The sirens are off!
I think the mods are gone!!!!

This place was crawling with them!!!!

Back to your regularly scheduled program!

 

[theblackvette]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Peace And Quiet!!!!!

 

[67HEAVEN]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Peace And Quiet!!!!!

Even when we're not here.........we're here.

 

[theblackvette]

Looks like 67 is a permanent fixture here these days!

Okay boys, hide the drugs, liquor, beer, wine!

Anyone got any insensce to make it smell nice in here!

I don't want anyone busted.

Even when we're not here.........we're here.

 

[theblackvette]

Wow, huge fight on the edge forum...
cuss words.....
links to calipornia sites...
threats of violence....
my goodness...no mods over there!!!!!
WOW!!!!!!!!