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My son called me this afternoon to tell me that they fired the service manager over it....that's no consolation to me.

The mechanic quoted $800.00 to remove the motor and inspect the bottom end to see what happened. He also sent a sample of the oil over to the Chevrolet dealership for analysis. Together with his statement should be enough to get things rolling...
 
My son called me this afternoon to tell me that they fired the service manager over it....that's no consolation to me.

The mechanic quoted $800.00 to remove the motor and inspect the bottom end to see what happened. He also sent a sample of the oil over to the Chevrolet dealership for analysis. Together with his statement should be enough to get things rolling...

Good !

it sounds like things are headed in the right direction. Hopefully they will "own up" and cover the cost of rebuilding..

Valve guides, rod bearings...rings, cyl walls, everything where oil lubricates and has contact againt other parts while under pressure is now damaged from the abrasives.
Hopefully, this is a sign that they will rebuild and NOT try to replace with a good, used mystery motor.

I sure hate that your "first" is being such a B****..!
Try to see the upside....this shop will be knocking off big chunks of your list, you get a fresh motor (most likely) and you will get the rest of the drivetrain inspected during the engine removal process.

Theres a positive side to just about everything, even this.:thumb
 
This keeps getting better and better.....

Now we're in contact with the area supervisor and he wants to make the 150 mile trip to inspect it himself. I'm insisting on opening up a claim anyway.

My son went over to the shop and talked to the mechanic who originally did the work, and he asked him "how" the gasket was removed. The guy was dumb enough to walk over to his box and pull these items out and admit to using them....more ammo...so my son snapped a couple of pics for good measure...

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Here's a shot of the broken dipstick I found when I tried to check the oil for the first time, which started this whole mess off. Seems like he did the intake gasket and then failed to drain and flush the crankcase.

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Hopefully, we'll be getting started on it soon. I also made it clear, either this engine or a short block, but no mystery motor.
 
Here's an update on the situation:

They're dragging their feet on this and when we tried to put the pressure on them with a threat of litigation, they basically told us "If that's what you want to do, then go ahead"....A very stupid move on their part...with what we have, we will win easily in court.

But the down side is that the car has to sit until this is over. On the other hand, I've been looking for used 350's to drop in and get back on the road until this comes to an end. If I do that, I could set the original engine aside and rebuild it at a later time and be back on the road in a couple of weeks.

My question to the community is this...will any 350 take all of my parts from the original engine or does it have to be an exact 350 from that general year?
 
Here's an update on the situation:

They're dragging their feet on this and when we tried to put the pressure on them with a threat of litigation, they basically told us "If that's what you want to do, then go ahead"....A very stupid move on their part...with what we have, we will win easily in court.

But the down side is that the car has to sit until this is over. On the other hand, I've been looking for used 350's to drop in and get back on the road until this comes to an end. If I do that, I could set the original engine aside and rebuild it at a later time and be back on the road in a couple of weeks.

My question to the community is this...will any 350 take all of my parts from the original engine or does it have to be an exact 350 from that general year?

I cannot tell you for certain if you need an '84 block or if other yr 1st gen 350 blocks would work. I think they will...

I just wanted to say how sorry I am that you;re having to deal with a dishonest business like this.

I've never been screwed like this situation, but I've had many other things happen that have driven me to doing 99% of my car maint/repair at home. If there is the remote possibility of doing the work at home, I'll find a way. Mostly because these shops and unskilled, untrained ( stupid)mechanics will abuse and neglect YOUR property and the owner is left holding the bill and often never knows that it was the shop that was responsible for the damage.
I'm just sick of dishonest shops and thieving wanna be mechanics. There should be a LAW that requires someone to present a license before he can legally purchase a roll-a-way tool box...

Bottom line in this case, it might go to litigation since its been mentioned, and you will have to do the repair and wait to be reimbursed. They will use that threat as the excuse to avoid paying until they are forced to do so. Your fastest approach now is probably thru the small claims court. Civil litigation is slow, attorneys cost money and recovery money is diluted by time wasted and paying lawyers/cost. Small claims is simple, it just places the work load on the plaintiff. Burdon of Proof.
Get your proof in order, get witness's, get statements and organize the case. Small Claims is very often about common sense right or wrong and who can prove it.
Going to court with an attorney is actually to their advantage because they will pay the damage cost at todays rates, at a much later date, if ever.
They can dodge that in a number of ways. They will just be paying what it cost you to repair. Unless this goes to trial, there won;t be a punitive judgement, which is what I'd be pushing for. In the meantime I'd be reporting to every consumer agency on the planet, every TV investigative reporter in the state, and every internet blog or complaint avenue thats available online.

I hope they decide to "man-up" and take responsibility, but the business atmosphere of today, is to deflect responsibility and treat customers like dirt. Loose one, go get another, who cares?
You can thank all the online and community colleges for mass producing millions of students with a half-assed degree in business minus the course in ethics that are now in banking, finance, accounting and other related industry where thier flawed (cheap) education has a direct influence on todays small business.

Good Luck to you.
 
My question to the community is this...will any 350 take all of my parts from the original engine or does it have to be an exact 350 from that general year?

Later years went to the 1 piece rear main seal but there is an adapter, IIRC.
 
I hope they decide to "man-up" and take responsibility, but the business atmosphere of today, is to deflect responsibility and treat customers like dirt. Loose one, go get another, who cares?
You can thank all the online and community colleges for mass producing millions of students with a half-assed degree in business minus the course in ethics that are now in banking, finance, accounting and other related industry where thier flawed (cheap) education has a direct influence on todays small business.

Good Luck to you.

If they are at this state, it is more likely he wins the lottery than they are to pay up. They have tried the feet dragging and when that didn't work and he threatened legal action, they basically said "Go ahead" so there is little hope of resolution without a legal judgment which they think he will not do.
 
If they are at this state, it is more likely he wins the lottery than they are to pay up. They have tried the feet dragging and when that didn't work and he threatened legal action, they basically said "Go ahead" so there is little hope of resolution without a legal judgment which they think he will not do.

That's every business owners stance these days....they play the "wait it out" game hoping that the claimant will give up...but the car is 160 miles from the place that did the work and they must think that they have the upper hand.

I'm not going to give up on this since the car was a gift and they put my son at risk by letting him get on the road with the engine in that condition and driving all that way to bring me what he thought was an intact car.

I don't know why they just don't put a claim in for the damage through their insurance company and be done with this...it doesn't effect their payments or anything like auto accidents do.
 
That's every business owners stance these days....they play the "wait it out" game hoping that the claimant will give up...but the car is 160 miles from the place that did the work and they must think that they have the upper hand.

I'm not going to give up on this since the car was a gift and they put my son at risk by letting him get on the road with the engine in that condition and driving all that way to bring me what he thought was an intact car.

I don't know why they just don't put a claim in for the damage through their insurance company and be done with this...it doesn't effect their payments or anything like auto accidents do.

Do you or your son live near that shop? If so, let them know. That might help things since they will know that he can come there easily.
 
I'm confused so somebody help me out here. How do you botch an intake gasket and oil change and have it affect the bearings?

This is the question I'm looking for, and having finished reading the entire thread, I'm not seeing the answer still.

The oil change was last - right? Did they change the filter? Does the Hi-performance mechanic have the filter from Vegas? What's in it? How did the abrasives miss the oil change? Then get through the new filter?

And how far was the car driven after the work?
 
This is the question I'm looking for, and having finished reading the entire thread, I'm not seeing the answer still.

The oil change was last - right? Did they change the filter? Does the Hi-performance mechanic have the filter from Vegas? What's in it? How did the abrasives miss the oil change? Then get through the new filter?

And how far was the car driven after the work?

The oil never got changed...nor did the filter. The car had about 500 miles from the repair shop in Vegas to the time it arrived in my hands here in Arizona.

I got upset with the attitude of the H. P. wrench my son suggested (another story in itself....it's great to be independent), so I had the car towed to my son's house; at least I can work on it there without any problems at any time. That was a couple of days ago. Yesterday, I convinced my son to drop the pan for me and let's see what the mechanic never saw....the inside of the pan.

Now....hold on to your hats. I have never heard the knock that everyone says they hear. When my son dropped the pan, he pulled out a wad of RTV pieces from the pump intake tube and the screen. There was no more little metallic pieces like those found in the sample bottles.....tomorrow morning I'm going to help install a new oil pump I got and put it all back together again, drain the refilled crankcase, and put fresh oil in again if everything sounds ok.

We're following through with litigation against the repair shop in Vegas for a refund on the work that wasn't done and possibly the engine work if this doesn't turn out the way I hope....
 
If the pan is still down, see if you can grab the connecting rods, and move them. With the oil pick-up blocked, and a zero-pressure reading on the oil gauge, it's highly likely you need some


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The oil never got changed...nor did the filter. The car had about 500 miles from the repair shop in Vegas to the time it arrived in my hands here in Arizona.

I got upset with the attitude of the H. P. wrench my son suggested (another story in itself....it's great to be independent), so I had the car towed to my son's house; at least I can work on it there without any problems at any time. That was a couple of days ago. Yesterday, I convinced my son to drop the pan for me and let's see what the mechanic never saw....the inside of the pan.

Now....hold on to your hats. I have never heard the knock that everyone says they hear. When my son dropped the pan, he pulled out a wad of RTV pieces from the pump intake tube and the screen. There was no more little metallic pieces like those found in the sample bottles.....tomorrow morning I'm going to help install a new oil pump I got and put it all back together again, drain the refilled crankcase, and put fresh oil in again if everything sounds ok.

We're following through with litigation against the repair shop in Vegas for a refund on the work that wasn't done and possibly the engine work if this doesn't turn out the way I hope....

Did I miss a chapter?

I'm not sure what the point of installing a new pump and reassembling the thing is...If there is metal particles in the oil, its over.

For whatever the reason,. a motor thats been run with zero oil pressure is a dead motor. The bearings are destroyed, rotating parts scored and damaged. If the pump screen was plugged up with RTV scraps, that caused oil starvation. The "grit" might just be metal that was your bearings. Without the oil analysis its impossible to say what it was, only what it is NOW.
 
I probably would have had the new shop drop the pan and see the RTV clogging the screen. That way you could have had a shop mechanic as a witness to finding it.
 
Did I miss a chapter?

I'm not sure what the point of installing a new pump and reassembling the thing is...If there is metal particles in the oil, its over.

For whatever the reason,. a motor thats been run with zero oil pressure is a dead motor. The bearings are destroyed, rotating parts scored and damaged. If the pump screen was plugged up with RTV scraps, that caused oil starvation. The "grit" might just be metal that was your bearings. Without the oil analysis its impossible to say what it was, only what it is NOW.

I believe that the engine is ready for a overhaul, but my impatient self says that I needed to be driving it...but, hear this one out....

So we cleaned up the mess, installed the new oil pump and put it all back together again. We stood there after it was all done debating if it was alright to fire it up; checking and rechecking everything. My thoughts were if it could buy me some time for another engine, a short block or whatever, that would be great.

We fired it up, and let it idle for 5 minutes to let the flush do its thing. Other than the dry start for about 2 or 3 seconds, we didn't hear a thing...it was a blessing. Then we drained the pan and refilled it again. After that, we pulled it into the garage to change the oil pressure sending unit and do a couple of other things to it. I couldn't stick around as I had to get ready for work and with my son's schedule and mine, the next chance I'll get to see the car is Wednesday night/Thursday morning, so I'll have more news then.
 
That's what I say - "No oil pressure? Hammer DOWN!!!"

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