TURBO charger * intercooler suggestions*

[GO_VETTE]

Hey fellow Corvette techs. I am in the process of having someone design a turbo kit for me. I am relocating battery to trunk, and place TURBo in battery location. My concern is for piping and optimal flow of air to intercooler. Where is it best to mount intercooler?
behind bumper?
in place of air cleaner assembly (TPI)
here are my options:
1. mount it where existing air cleaner assembly is mounted, cut a ram air Naca Duct into hood for air.
2. mount behind bumper cover, and remove front signal lights and fit air ducts directing at the intercooler.
3. none of the above, but I have a better idea.

 

[topless82vette]

My friend is building a ATI stroker for his 1990 and plans on using a LT1 ati intercooler so it feeds over the radiator like the stock air cleaner. then he is going to buy a ram air thing that ducts air from the license plate cavity into the intercooler.

 

[Black Bart]

Hey fellow Corvette techs. I am in the process of having someone design a turbo kit for me. I am relocating battery to trunk, and place TURBo in battery location. My concern is for piping and optimal flow of air to inter-cooler. Where is it best to mount inter-cooler?
behind bumper?
in place of air cleaner assembly (TPI)
here are my options:
1. mount it where existing air cleaner assembly is mounted, cut a ram air Naca Duct into hood for air.
2. mount behind bumper cover, and remove front signal lights and fit air ducts directing at the intercooler.
3. none of the above, but I have a better idea.

After trying a procharger Intercooler which was total joke I built a custom Intercooler.

I bought a Turbonectics 18X22 plate intercooler and I made custom end tanks for it with 3 inch inlet and outlet.

I also have a grill to allow air into the front it works really well.
Here is a link to photos of the grill in the front.

Corvette Photos pictures by BlackBart_photo - Photobucket

 

[GO_VETTE]

After trying a procharger Intercooler which was total joke I built a custom Intercooler.

I bought a Turbonectics 18X22 plate intercooler and I made custom end tanks for it with 3 inch inlet and outlet.

I also have a grill to allow air into the front it works really well.
Here is a link to photos of the grill in the front.

Corvette Photos pictures by BlackBart_photo - Photobucket

WOW. sweet ride. Incredibly nice job.
did you remove the front license plate? is that acting as a grill?
are you running a procharger system?
just out of curiousity, what did you have to rearrange (belt driven accesories).

 

[Black Bart]

WOW. sweet ride. Incredibly nice job.
did you remove the front license plate? is that acting as a grill?
are you running a Procharger system?
just out of curiousity, what did you have to rearrange (belt driven accesories).

Yes I removed the front plate cover Indiana does not require a front plate.
I don't know if they will still separate the kit but Mid America sells a ram air kit but I did not buy the tubing and stuff to connect to the throttle body I just bought the grill and painted it to match the car.

My first setup was a P600B Procharger kit on a 350 but it lacked the boost that I wanted and the Intercooler was waaaay too restrictive.
I blew the 350 so I built this forged 406 with a D1-R and a custom Intercooler plus Nitrous Oxide

To answer your question on pulleys they are still in original location but are all custom made 8 rib aluminum. The AC still works this is a 1178 HP street driven car.
Here is the details of the engine.

89Black coupe 6spd FX-3 \ Chrome GS Wheels 315\35\17 G-ForceKD's \ SB-406cid\ Procharger D1-R \ 8 Rib pulleys\ Custom built Spearco intercooler \ Spal Fans \ NOS wet nitrous system controlled by jacobs mastermind controller \ Spearco water/alcohol injection system \ TPIS Mini Ram II \ 58mmTB \ AFR heads \ AFR rev kit \ Manley4340 push rods \
Comp cams custom grind roller \ Comp cam lifters \ Comp cams roller rockers 1.6 ratio \ Ross custom pistons 4340 pins \Speed pro rings \ 6 inch eagle 4340 3d rods \ eagle 4340 crank \ fluid balancer \ Cloyes true roller timing chain \ Melling high output oil pump \ 10 qt. multi trap door pan \ large oil cooler \ MSD-Digital-7 ignition\With MSD pro-power coil \ MSD boost retard \ Msd super conductor wires \ Accel DFI Gen.7 W/wide band \ 83lbs injectors \ Centerforce clutch & flywheel \ TPIS jet hot coated headers
\ 3" dual exhaust with electric cut outs \ 13 inch rotors C5 calipers w hawk pads \ Air dam with air ducts to brakes \ Triple pillar pod with Autometer gauges \ Air-Fuel \Boost \Fuel Pressure \ lowering kit \Escort radar detector \RM radar jammer.
The difference between men and boy’s is the speed of their toy’s.
IF IT’S NOT BLOWN THEN IT SUCKS

 

[GO_VETTE]

Quick question. You said you blew the 350 motor. I am assuming motor could not handle boost level?

 

[Black Bart]

Quick question. You said you blew the 350 motor. I am assuming motor could not handle boost level?

Yes that is correct the 350 was stock and the 8lbs of boost worked for a while but I got some gas that was not what it should of been and got detonation.

The stock cast piston will go in a heartbeat if you get detonation.
The 350 compression was too high for much boost.

 

[GO_VETTE]

some Questions..

Hey I am asking you a few Q's simply b/c you been there and done that. if you wont mind, i would like to get your opinion on this.
here are my goals:
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My goals are to enjoy as much as I can w/ TURBO- when and if motor fails, that is when I will do a Beefed up Cam, heads. lower rotating assembly
b/c If I do the cam now, I may have to change springs, whcih is ripping heads off. I just wanna play w/ turbo, and when and if I blow, that is when I will redo motor
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but for now, I would like to add Turbo, drive and have fun for a couple of years. Car only driven on weekends, not on race track.
maybe once or thrice in a year at drag strip in summer time.
will this motor take conservative levels of boost?
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Here is my scenario. Bought the car, non working odometer stopped at 151k miles.
replaced water pump, fuel pump, ran w/ Cross Fire. Car ran great, screamed tires.
no fuel or anti freeze mixing, burning, or leaks (NONE).
I did a compression test, and it was 130-145lbs (15 variance between cylinders). Green light to to TPI swap.
So I decided to do the TPI.
I changed to MOBIL 1 synthetic oil.
Oil pressure if reading 80 PSI on digital dash.
The motor is completely factory. Piston compression 9.0:1.
The car does have power. No doubt.
I would like your opinion. If Turbocharging w/ right componenets, an I prevent premature motor failure?
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what type of MSD? Is Summit Digital good? or MSD 6A analog ^A good enuff for the job?
If having water methanol injection, using HIGH OCTAINE fuel, and running boost/detonation spark retard system (MSD), are these measures good enough to prevent premature motor failure?
what is the safes BOOST level to run? 6PSI?
Would you think 42lb injectors are ideal for a 60 mm Turbo?
Tuning Q's? Is Tuner Cats RT software good?
Did you add another tank for water methanol? is it housed in rear, next to fuel tank?

Thanks again.

 

[Black Bart]

Hey I am asking you a few Q's simply b/c you been there and done that. if you wont mind, i would like to get your opinion on this.
here are my goals:
-------------------------------------------------------
My goals are to enjoy as much as I can w/ TURBO- when and if motor fails, that is when I will do a Beefed up Cam, heads. lower rotating assembly
b/c If I do the cam now, I may have to change springs, whcih is ripping heads off. I just wanna play w/ turbo, and when and if I blow, that is when I will redo motor
------------------------------------------------------------
but for now, I would like to add Turbo, drive and have fun for a couple of years. Car only driven on weekends, not on race track.
maybe once or thrice in a year at drag strip in summer time.
will this motor take conservative levels of boost?
--------------------------------------------------------------

Here is my scenario. Bought the car, non working odometer stopped at 151k miles.
replaced water pump, fuel pump, ran w/ Cross Fire. Car ran great, screamed tires.
no fuel or anti freeze mixing, burning, or leaks (NONE).
I did a compression test, and it was 130-145lbs (15 variance between cylinders). Green light to to TPI swap.
So I decided to do the TPI.
I changed to MOBIL 1 synthetic oil.
Oil pressure if reading 80 PSI on digital dash.
The motor is completely factory. Piston compression 9.0:1.
The car does have power. No doubt.
I would like your opinion. If Turbocharging w/ right componenets, an I prevent premature motor failure?
--------------------------------------------------
what type of MSD? Is Summit Digital good? or MSD 6A analog ^A good enuff for the job?
If having water methanol injection, using HIGH OCTAINE fuel, and running boost/detonation spark retard system (MSD), are these measures good enough to prevent premature motor failure?
what is the safes BOOST level to run? 6PSI?
Would you think 42lb injectors are ideal for a 60 mm Turbo?
Tuning Q's? Is Tuner Cats RT software good?
Did you add another tank for water methanol? is it housed in rear, next to fuel tank?

Thanks again.

From what you say the motor sound like it is sound but we know it has at least 151K maybe more so this is far from a fresh engine.

On a sound engine 6lbs of boost is considered safe providing the tune is correct.

On a high mileage engine it will be a crap shoot as to how long it will last.

TPI is a VERY POOR Intake it is like running a 2 barrel carb but with a turbo it will give you good mid-range power.

What Ignition you need depends on your goals.

I had a 6al that worked fine with 8lbs but when I built the 406 with the
D-1R @ 20lbs I had to upgrade to a digital-7 with a Pro-Power coil.

If you plan on going for higher boost in the future you could save by going with the better Ignition to start with.

42lb injectors will work for 6lbs of boost. More boost will require more fuel either way you will need to upgrade your fuel system.

I bought my water/alky system from Turbonetics and I have a polished aluminum tank in the driver side wheel well.

I have no experience with tuner cat I went with a stand alone after market ECM right from the start.
I have a ACCEL Gen-7 with wide band it is light years ahead of the Gen.6 that I had to start with.

Tuning the Gen-7 is WAAAaaaay easier than trying to tune with a factory ECM. How well it runs and how well it lasts depends greatly on a proper tune.
I think this cover you questions. GOOD LUCK

TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED IT NO EXPLANATION IS POSSIBLE.

TO THOSE THAT HAVE NO EXPLANATION IS NEEDED.
BOOST IS AWESOME

 

[GO_VETTE]

Thanks again. I am gonna give it a shot. Worse case, I will have to rip apart motor.
which is okay.
I think it really down to tuning.
seems like that is the key to fine precison auto.
Once again, thanks.

 

[Black Bart]

Yes tuning is critical on forced Induction.

I have some experience with it I built my first one back in 1976 I bought a brand new 900 Kawasaki bored it out to 1300 installed a blower grind cam Meth injection and a B series Ray-Jay turbo for Allis Chalmers diesel tractor.

I remove some items from the bike got the weight down to 400 lbs. and at 10,500 rpm it made 325 HP on a engine dyno.

That thing would accelerate quicker than my Corvette the power to weight ratio was AWESOME.

With 6lbs you should make around 425 HP on your Vette.
The Induction system will hold you back but it will give you the fever for MORE BOOST

I"m not on this forum much but I"m subscribed to this thread so in the future if you have questions just post it here and I will get a notification via E Mail.

 

[GO_VETTE]

Hey BlackB, I need to ask you about your exhaust.
You refernced 3" exhaust w/ electric cut outs. whats that?
also what size are your headers 1.75 inch primary tube?
You mentioned that your water inj tank is by drivers wheel well?
I assume you placed it where your vacuums are or where the battery is, and relocated battery.Am I right?
did you add any extra fuel filters to existing fuel line?
how many liters can the water injec. methanol tank hold? How frequently do you refill it?
what type of tranny? what size stall convertor?
what type of rear?
what type of gears?
did you keep factory fiberglass leafs pring or did you insert coil overs?
did you remove radio, or kept it?

I have 2 speakers in dash, 2 on door panels and 2 in hatch. i just really need 4 speakers, light weight. I dont need that many.
what are the lightest weight speakers_that are also a good direct replacement? would it be wiser to get rid of dash speakers and keep other 4 speakers?what is ur opinion?
Since you have the grandmaster C4 Vette.

 

[GO_VETTE]

I really liked you car. can you post more images for the C4 community?
thanks BlackBart.I may have to do an artwork of ur ride :eyerole

 

[Black Bart]

Hey BlackB, I need to ask you about your exhaust.
You refernced 3" exhaust w/ electric cut outs. whats that?
also what size are your headers 1.75 inch primary tube?
You mentioned that your water inj tank is by drivers wheel well?
I assume you placed it where your vacuums are or where the battery is, and relocated battery.Am I right?
did you add any extra fuel filters to existing fuel line?
how many liters can the water injec. methanol tank hold? How frequently do you refill it?
what type of tranny? what size stall convertor?
what type of rear?
what type of gears?


I have 2 speakers in dash, 2 on door panels and 2 in hatch. i just really need 4 speakers, light weight. I dont need that many.
what are the lightest weight speakers_that are also a good direct replacement? would it be wiser to get rid of dash speakers and keep other 4 speakers?what is ur opinion?
Since you have the grandmaster C4 Vette.

For the exhaust read this thread. http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com...formance/110988-electric-exhaust-cutouts.html
Primary's on header are 1.75

I remove everything from the wheel well. Driver side well has a 1 gallon Meth tank a pressure switch a Meth pump and a vacuum pump that is controlled by a rpm switch to evacuate the crankcase pressure.
Right side wheel well has the Digital-7 MSD Ignition box.

I Installed a much bigger fuel pump in place of the stock one. I Installed another pickup tube into the tank and mounted another 800 HP pump and ran a fuel line down the other side of the car.
The second pump is controlled by adjustable rpm switch so I can bring it in as needed.

Most people use 1 killer pump but if you are not full throttle you don't need all that fuel so you just hot lap it around through the system and back to the tank.
The way I fixed mine you only run the pumps when they are needed,

One fuel line feeds the right fuel rail and the 2 pump feed the left fuel rail with a balance tube between the fuel rails.
I installed a check valve in the 2 line to prevent the primary pump from feeding back to the fuel tank through the other line when the second pump is not running.

what type of tranny? what size stall converter?-- Modded ZF-6 speed

what type of rear? Danna 44

what type of gears?---Richmond gears 3:73 ratio

did you keep factory fiberglass leafs pring or did you insert coil overs?
did you remove radio, or kept it?

I have FX3 with modified control module and lowering kit.

Yea I have radio and working AC this is not a track car it is a street driven car but with the modded suspension and 315-35-17 G-Force KD's it handles really well up to 264 MPH and at that speed it got really light and I shut it off but it was still accelerating when I shut it off.

If you look at the post that I made above you will see bigger brake rotors and calipers.

What I wanted was not a single purpose car that was good for nothing but drag racing. I wanted a 3G car this car will exceed 1G accelerating cornering and braking.

For what I have invested I could have bought a new one but I would not of been happy with it until I made it run better than a stock one.

Besides when you take and old C4 and blow the doors off of a Ferrari the look on the drivers face is priceless.

 

[GO_VETTE]

I agree with you, the fact having an old C4 and blowing the doors off a high end exotic car is a feeling that you cannot get w/. a new c6.

 

[GO_VETTE]

Here is another guy Cross Fire Supercharged

Hey you must check out Jonas's 84 Homemade CFI supercharged Corvette w/ home made air cleaner and Danna 44.
however his car is nice. Damn, he would fool a Ferrari.
click above "poor guy" and you can view his page.
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Poor guy blew motor and tranny and rear, but his recent Vette is an asskick.

Dana 44 with 3.45 gearing. (38 teeth on the ring gear and 11 teeth on the pinion gear.)
Garrett GT4288N turbo from a Volvo semi truck.
Home built turbo headers
Custom Dual exhaust with X-pipe.
Holley Stealth Ram modified to clear the stock hood.
Twin BOSCH '0 580 254 984' fuel pumps and a surge tank in the rear right fender.
120 lbs injectors.
SX fuel pressure regulator.
K&N air-filter.
24" x 12" x 4" front mount intercooler.
HKS style 50mm wastegate.

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[Black Bart]

Hey you must check out Jonas's 84 Homemade CFI supercharged Corvette w/ home made air cleaner and Danna 44.
however his car is nice. Damn, he would fool a Ferrari.
click above "poor guy" and you can view his page.
-
Poor guy blew motor and tranny and rear, but his recent Vette is an asskick.

Dana 44 with 3.45 gearing. (38 teeth on the ring gear and 11 teeth on the pinion gear.)
Garrett GT4288N turbo from a Volvo semi truck.
Home built turbo headers
Custom Dual exhaust with X-pipe.
Holley Stealth Ram modified to clear the stock hood.
Twin BOSCH '0 580 254 984' fuel pumps and a surge tank in the rear right fender.
120 lbs injectors.
SX fuel pressure regulator.
K&N air-filter.
24" x 12" x 4" front mount intercooler.
HKS style 50mm wastegate.

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I'm aware of that car he has been playing with it for several years.

Here is a fast turbo C-4 but it is a gutted drag car.
Owner Lee Howie sold it about a year ago to a guy in Dayton,Ohio and all he does with it is occasionally drive it on the street.
It is a SB 400 with a 106mm turbo.
Here it is on a 1/8 mile pass.

YouTube - 401ci 106mm turbo Corvette

 

[GO_VETTE]

No this Jonas in Sweden. This is not that car. This is a black 84.
click the link.

 

[Black Bart]

No this Jonas in Sweden. This is not that car. This is a black 84.
click the link.

Yes I know it is not Jonas car but I simply was showing you this red car in Dayton,Ohio with a 106mm turbo on it.
I thought you would like to see it.

 

[GO_VETTE]

Oh yeah, I already seen that video. about in early January. Nice drag car.
But the thing is that I dont know Howies car, meaning his build sheet. I only it is a very fast drag car.

I really liked the way Jonas designed his alots of his own parts. It is not ordered thru Summit- rather tons of alots of fabrication and interchanged parts.
Although Jonas removed the A/c Compressor,and seated his Turbo-which I am not a big fan of.
But then I guess maybe onedoes not need A/C it in Sweden so much, after having a birthplace of neighboring denmark, I should know.
I do like his intercooler design. has clearances for hood.
I do like his Extra fuel surge tank and filters and pumps.
I think that I would like to have my intercooler/fuel filters/pumps mounted similiarly to Jonas.
my Turbo would be where the battery currently is, and relocate the battery in trunk (which also distributes some weight from front to back).
I would like the water injection tank in rear (prefer) and line running from drivers side to pump and line to intake.