ZR1 v. C5

[Rob]

Its obvious to me that all those without an LT5 under the hood are uncontrollably jealous - thats cool, I appreciate the compliment, as do all us venerable ZR1 drivers!!!

:s :J :s :J :s :J

We should all :BOW to the wonderful LT5!!!

Shame on you. LOL

 

[phrogs]

Sure, just ask Phrogs. He found a motorless ZR1 and does not want to pay an arm and a leg for a ZR1 engine. Let's time it and see how long it takes for him to find one. Oh wait, this can't be happening because ZR1 engines are bullet proof

Now I never told the whole story behind that car, It is a 91 without the motor and tranny or it soon will be because the owner wants to keep the motor and tranny, He has the 2 ZR-1s right now, When he bought the 91 the guy he bought it from also removed the motor and tranny so he could keep them as a spare for his other ZR-1 mainly because of the high cost of the motor He had built his other motor to a 415 I believe so he remove them and sold the shell to the guy I was talking to he found a motor and tranny from a 90 and installed them and has been driving that car ever since, now he wants to do the same and just sell the car less motor and tranny for 9K
that was a little to rich for a car only in my opinion, I have found many a LT5 for sale from 5K-12K most from salvaged cars so the motors are perfect and the majority of the motors on the high side are crates mostly 93's but I have seen a few 95 crates so its not a impossible venture Im just trying to do it as cheap as I can

I have no doubts that you can blow a LT5 that's not the point the point is in all the years I have been messing with these I have only seen a few motors that have had problems a blown head gasket and a bad lifter are about all that I have seen

and the one fellow who blew up his plenum with NOS that was interesting!!

I have just received pictures of another 91 from vetterestorer that was rolled seller wants 6500 for all of it motor and front frame rails left the car but a nice clean up and you are in there like swimwear!!!


I will build myself a bargain ZR-1 I just have to realize that I may not be back home for some time and I already have one project! :gap


Johnny

 

[phrogs]

And since I did own a Z06 for a little while until the wife begged me for a new truck.
here's my diagnosis
The C-5 is way more comfortable than the C-4 more room for your legs, it actually has a trunk!!
It is a fast ass car more than enough for the street or strip it comes with a waranty and its brand new thats one thing I did like about it!!

I really liked my Z06 I would have rather not gotten rid of it but I truly couldn't afford both vettes and a truck so one had to go, I kept my ZR-1 because of the rarity( there are 3 Z06's at my unit I was the only enlisted guy who had one though) and I love the ZR-1 I always have followed it and im not afraid of something breaking I know I can fix it and I can get another motor if I need one, will I get another Z06 someday??? maybe but I will definatly have another ZR-1 in the garage!



If I were you I would go with a C-5/Z06 for performance you wont be disappointed.


And for the record a lot of corvette owners cant identify a ZR-1 out on the street big ass third tail light dont matter because time and time again I have these guys in my town that always are wanting to race me in there l-98 cars??? :crazy

 

[90 Corvette ZR-1]

There is far to much drama in this thread so I'll stay away from the journalistic approach that I normally write in and go for the facts.

1) The LT5 looks better then the LS1.
2) The LS1 is cheaper to mod then the LT5
3) The C5 is not as fast as the ZR-1 (this includes the Z06 and yes I know this from real world testing)
4) The ZR-1 will get more looks from the Corvette people out there then the C5. (again real world testing)
5) The ZR-1 is more fun the the C5.
6) The C5 is more practial then the ZR-1.
7) The ZR-1 is more of a sports car then the C5.
8) The options that the ZR-1 came standard with are more then the C5 comes with.

Now we will get into opponions.

I would rather have a ZR-1 over a C5. I have driven both and the ZR-1 is more my kind of car. The thrill above 3000 rpms is unmatched. The way the car pulls up to the 7000 rpm red line is something that you get addicted to, the push back in the seat, the feeling in your stomach, the sound, to me the ZR-1 is the better car.

If your looking for a daily driver get the C5, if your looking for a luxury sports car, thats the car for you.

 

[CKA_Racing]

Sure, just ask Phrogs. He found a motorless ZR1 and does not want to pay an arm and a leg for a ZR1 engine. Let's time it and see how long it takes for him to find one. Oh wait, this can't be happening because ZR1 engines are bullet proof. QUOTE]

You must be getting really desperate for any kind of a legitimate response to the LT5 durability issue. Phrogs is a true motorhead and ZR-1 driver. He already has a ZR-1 and a 69 427/435 and wants another ZR-1. He is on active dute in the Marine Corps and presently in the Middle East. He is in no hurry to find another LT5 engine so he's just shopping for the best possible deal so he can build one up for his wife. I fail to see how one ZR-1 without an engine for an unknown reason is any kind of legitimate criticism of LT5 durability.

Do you really think an LT1, LT4 or LS6 could do 400 hrs non stop on the dyno cycling between max torque and max hp every 5 minutes? The LT5 did!

Desperate?
Criticism of LT5 durability?

First off, why do you guys always bring in the LT4 into the conversation?
IMHO, there is no comparison. The ZR1 is the better engine, period.

Second, I’m well aware who Phrogs is. But thank you for the brief history lesson.
I have an issue when someone says the engines never have any type of mechanical failure. Any engine can blow up from a couple of reasons. Oil not being changed at required intervals, etc. You don’t know how the previous owners treated the car before you purchased it. That’s my point.
BTW – all the smiles at the end of my reply should have told you my ending comments were being said in a buddy buddy manner.

Seems like your comments are really aggressive towards me. Are they?
You know I stop visiting the corvette forum due to guys posting aggressive replies back to my reply’s or post. I’m not going to put it with here.

 

[secondchance]

Hey, CKA_Racing.
No harm done. Like I said, Its like an argument between brothers. Sometimes it get too passionate but at the end of the day we all love our vettes.
Besides, we need you to fuel threads like this. So hang around

 

[Rob]

At this point, I would ask that we bring this thread back on track.

The questions asked by the original poster should be answered WITHOUT pride and biases. Simply state the pros and cons of each model as you see them and leave out the emotional ties you have to your choice of Corvette.

As secondchance already stated, we're all brothers here regardless of what kind of Vette we choose to own and drive.

 

[CKA_Racing]

Hey, CKA_Racing.
No harm done. Like I said, Its like an argument between brothers. Sometimes it get too passionate but at the end of the day we all love our vettes.
Besides, we need you to fuel threads like this. So hang around

I enjoy seeing people being passionate about their cars. It’s the aggressiveness I refuse to put up with. The Internet is not the best media to try and make your point or argument. We can’t type in our facial expressions or body language. So things don’t always come out the way they are to be said. People should always keep this in mind. I would hate to see this place tun into that other forum. Not bashing that other forum, just more than enough of it's bad posters.

BTW – Nice vette you have there.

 

[Rob]

I would hate to see this place tun into that other forum. Not bashing that other forum, just more than enough of it's bad posters.

It won't as long as there is breath in my body....

 

[CKA_Racing]

oops, sorry rob. You type and entered your post as i was typing mine.

I agree. Like i said in my first post. The C5 seems to fit him better than the C4 ZR1. The c5 will be newer, thus less things to go wrong without. Each one has it's advantage and disadvantages.

 

[secondchance]

"BTW – Nice vette you have there."

If that was directed to me, thank you. I'm sure yours is very sharp too.
We don't live that far away from each other. May be we all get together at Clyde's at Reston TC. You in Rob? R. Kreigh if you are seeing this thread? Or anybody around N. Va?
Believe it or not I had to drive this morning and ASR does work!

I hope we did'nt scare off UvetteIrace. UvetteIrace, we are only kidding around.:L

 

[CKA_Racing]

It won't as long as there is breath in my body....

Amen!

;worship

BTW - Sure glad you don't look like your avatar. You'd never get hooked up.

 

[CKA_Racing]

"BTW – Nice vette you have there."

If that was directed to me, thank you. I'm sure yours is very sharp too.
We don't live that far away from each other. May be we all get together at Clyde's at Reston TC. You in Rob? R. Kreigh if you are seeing this thread? Or anybody around N. Va?
Believe it or not I had to drive this morning and ASR does work!

I hope we did'nt scare off UvetteIrace. UvetteIrace, we are only kidding around.:L

yes, it was.

We do get togethers around here. BlueWasp ( well he is gone to germany for a few years), *89x2*, R. Kreigh, 71Shark and a few others.

 

[Rob]

"BTW – Nice vette you have there."

If that was directed to me, thank you. I'm sure yours is very sharp too.
We don't live that far away from each other. May be we all get together at Clyde's at Reston TC. You in Rob? R. Kreigh if you are seeing this thread? Or anybody around N. Va?
Believe it or not I had to drive this morning and ASR does work!

I hope we did'nt scare off UvetteIrace. UvetteIrace, we are only kidding around.:L

Count me in.

 

[Rob]

Amen!

;worship

BTW - Sure glad you don't look like your avatar. You'd never get hooked up.

:L That's my early-morning, pre-coffee look.

 

[secondchance]

We gotta set up "donate money for Rob's hair transplant.com".
Anyone set it up. I'll be there.

 

[secondchance]

When I say set it up I mean for the get together!!!

 

[rhanselman]

Just one more consideration for a C5 over a ZR1:

Who wants all the attention when the hood is raised, or the bothersome crowds around all the time at shows? The sound is also too mean for most tame souls anyway. Best be conservative!

I put my ZR1 on BPP’s dyno at BG just before they ran a Mallet ZO6 on the same. He pulled 100 more HP than I did. The most interesting thing to me was after the pulls. They parked the cars side by side with the hoods up. Guess what - All the attention was on the LT5.

Buy a C5 and get some piece and quiet. :z

On the serious side, if you haven't dreamt, drooled or lusted over a ZR1, you probably won't enjoy it as much as the majority of owners.

UvetteIrace - just for info info, the F16 is the Fighting Falcon and the F14 is the Tomcat. The F16 is better know to us F16 drivers as the Viper!

Cheers!

 

[Edmond]

Its obvious to me that all those without an LT5 under the hood are uncontrollably jealous - thats cool, I appreciate the compliment, as do all us venerable ZR1 drivers!!!

:s :J :s :J :s :J


We should all :BOW to the wonderful LT5!!!

For your information, I'm jealous, but a controlled jealous!:L :L :L

I keep my mouth shut when I see any ZR1 because I'd look funny if people saw me drool in public.:dance

 

[Jeffvette]

On the serious side, if you haven't dreamt, drooled or lusted over a ZR1, you probably won't enjoy it as much as the majority of owners.

I agree, ZR-1 has to be in your blood