Any Performance chip out for C6?

[OUSchitzo]

Need some help. Have some customers that are wanting to know if there are any performance chips available for the C6? Is there anything other than LG packages?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

[*89x2*]

Need some help. Have some customers that are wanting to know if there are any performance chips available for the C6? Is there anything other than LG packages?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

C6 Corvettes use a form of Edit programming to the PCM rather than a chip - some are avail. now...

Is there other companies other than LG - YES!

try www.callawaycars.com

or their online store: http://www.callawaycars.com/store/

Lots of C6 stuff there! :cool

 

[Ken Anderson]

Looked at Callaways site and saw the typical con artist action, ie, add a bunch of HP with bolt ons. Can't be done without reprogramming, which of course they fail to mention. Spark plug wire and throtle bodies add HP, so they claim. What a lie!

 

[*89x2*]

Looked at Callaways site and saw the typical con artist action, ie, add a bunch of HP with bolt ons. Can't be done without reprogramming, which of course they fail to mention. Spark plug wire and throtle bodies add HP, so they claim. What a lie!

With all due respect, your statement does not hold water -


Do you have any proof of what you are saying??


I know for a fact that the first two Power Groups did not require "tuning" - After driving the test car and seeing the track results verifying the performance, I am not quite sure where you are coming from with your banter...



As a result of some customers asking about the products, Callaway released this the other day:

I hope this helps clear things up a bit

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May 17, 2005

For immediate release:

This statement is in response to recent telephone calls and e-mails from C6 Honker Air Induction Systems customers who were concerned with Callaway’s performance claims. Their questions were triggered by Halltech’s recent findings with their Stinger system. Halltech has stated that PCM calibration must be performed when modifying the C6’s air intake system to increase flow.

We at Callaway have not experienced the problems described by Halltech during development of the Honker C6. Callaway was one of the first LS2 Edit beta sites, but no PCM recalibration was ever performed during Honker testing and development. Our chassis dynamometer test results and dragstrip testing time slips are included below to support the power and torque claims. As of today, over 10,000 miles have been accumulated on our C6 using a Honker prototype system without any problems whatsoever.

Jeopardizing Callaway’s reputation by exaggerating product performance is simply not consistent with our corporate philosophy. Today, Corvette enthusiasts test their modifications on chassis dynos, and participate in autocross, drag racing, and road racing. It would be futile to attempt any sort of deception.

It has also been suggested that the C6 Honker has not been released yet because it will not perform without PCM calibration. This is not true. Callaway has had delayed shipping in order to make adjustments in the manufacturing of the main duct. The shape of the main duct is critical to air flow quality and the ducts molded so far have had minor differences from the original design. Before Callaway will release this product, it must be configured exactly to our design specifications to generate the target performance. We are scheduled to begin Honker C6 shipments on Friday, May 20.

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Below: Honker C6 with over 10,000 miles accumulated:

Chassis dynamometer test results, September 24, 2004

A-B Test Procedure

Timeslips

Lebanon Valley Dragway

A-B Test Procedure.

Test vehicle prepared in advance for rapid intake system replacement

to minimize effects of changing environmental conditions as a function of time.

Left: Completely stock w/OEM intake system, 10/29/2004, 11:23 am

12.557 sec @ 112.98 mph (GM advertises 12.6 sec)

Right: Completely stock except for Honker C6 Air Induction, 10/29/2004, 11:48 am

12.321 sec @ 114.53 mph

 

[Ken Anderson]

Not trying be cute but I see you don't own a C-5 or a C-6 and you've probably used chips on your C-4's, which do work. No chips on C-5's or C-6's because everything is done by EFI controllers. Check out Chapter 10 in Will Handzel's book on Gen III tuning. I don't think there's a Callaway product mentioned in the whole book. When GM deveolped their C5-R and C6-R programs, they used what worked, no matter what the cost. What worked was headers, cams, head rework, etc-most everything was INTERNAL mods, not bolt ons. And, after everything was done, they still have to reflash the computer to get the motor to run properly.I say again, "anyone who says you gain on a HP on a C-6 using their plug wires and their new MAF is full of baloney"

 

[*89x2*]

today is not my first day...

Ken, Please go back and re-read the first thing I said - no mention of the C6 having a chip :confused

C6 Corvettes use a form of Edit programming to the PCM rather than a chip

I am VERY familiar with how C5's and C6's tick - While you are correct in saying I do not own a C5 or C6 personally, I have spent thousands of miles in each model(s) including C5's and C6's And some even used the GM Motorsports (R) block as their foundation -

I am not new to Vettes - have owned them for close to two decades now - even back in the "dark ages" of EFI :eek


Not trying to be a hard nose, but now you are comparing a race car to a street car - ohh boy...


Since you brought up books, Myron Cotrell of TPiS wrote a handbook on EFI / TPI in the 80's, and did say he saw more consistent performance, maybe even a slight gain with the use of better plug wires - But what does he know??? :confused

The original question has been answered for OUSchitzo - No chips for C6's - it is a PCM flash or Edit - movin' on...

 

[OUSchitzo]

Hey guys thanks for the "spirited debate" and information, but lets realize what this is all about, a car. Don't mean to pi$$ anyone off with that statement, it is just me.

 

[TODD L GRIFFITH]

With all due respect, your statement does not hold water -


Do you have any proof of what you are saying??


I know for a fact that the first two Power Groups did not require "tuning" - After driving the test car and seeing the track results verifying the performance, I am not quite sure where you are coming from with your banter...



As a result of some customers asking about the products, Callaway released this the other day:

I hope this helps clear things up a bit

**********************************************************************

May 17, 2005

For immediate release:

This statement is in response to recent telephone calls and e-mails from C6 Honker Air Induction Systems customers who were concerned with Callaway’s performance claims. Their questions were triggered by Halltech’s recent findings with their Stinger system. Halltech has stated that PCM calibration must be performed when modifying the C6’s air intake system to increase flow.

We at Callaway have not experienced the problems described by Halltech during development of the Honker C6. Callaway was one of the first LS2 Edit beta sites, but no PCM recalibration was ever performed during Honker testing and development. Our chassis dynamometer test results and dragstrip testing time slips are included below to support the power and torque claims. As of today, over 10,000 miles have been accumulated on our C6 using a Honker prototype system without any problems whatsoever.

Jeopardizing Callaway’s reputation by exaggerating product performance is simply not consistent with our corporate philosophy. Today, Corvette enthusiasts test their modifications on chassis dynos, and participate in autocross, drag racing, and road racing. It would be futile to attempt any sort of deception.

It has also been suggested that the C6 Honker has not been released yet because it will not perform without PCM calibration. This is not true. Callaway has had delayed shipping in order to make adjustments in the manufacturing of the main duct. The shape of the main duct is critical to air flow quality and the ducts molded so far have had minor differences from the original design. Before Callaway will release this product, it must be configured exactly to our design specifications to generate the target performance. We are scheduled to begin Honker C6 shipments on Friday, May 20.






Below: Honker C6 with over 10,000 miles accumulated:

Chassis dynamometer test results, September 24, 2004

A-B Test Procedure

Timeslips

Lebanon Valley Dragway

A-B Test Procedure.

Test vehicle prepared in advance for rapid intake system replacement

to minimize effects of changing environmental conditions as a function of time.

Left: Completely stock w/OEM intake system, 10/29/2004, 11:23 am

12.557 sec @ 112.98 mph (GM advertises 12.6 sec)

Right: Completely stock except for Honker C6 Air Induction, 10/29/2004, 11:48 am

12.321 sec @ 114.53 mph

Needs a cam, what a bang for the buck. Nice baseline numbers.

 

[c5vetter]

well, I would look at the "stated gains" like the NCRS looks at chasing points - what is the $$$$$$ per point that you are willing to spend. Now, I don't know what Callaway asks for the m0d - but, I bet it ain't cheap! so is a 2 mile per hour gain over OEM worth it - in my mind probably not!