Cat conv. and performance
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nelson84
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You are wrong about the asthma. Years ago be for emissions people didn't suffer much from asthma. When they introduced the cats on cars, they produced another gas, I can't remember the name but it is that rotten egg smell and that is what has brought on the asthma that doctors have had to deal with in the 70's to present. Now everybody and their dog has breathing problems and allergies.
Cats bad!
No Cats good.
And 20 HP more!
Cats bad!
No Cats good.
And 20 HP more!
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yadawho
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Hum
I don't think you really understand what you think you understand, but that's ok you are entitled to your believe your mis-information. CATS GOOD, EMISSION CONTROLS GOOD, The rotten egg smell is from poorly refined fuel, it is sulfur, in Calif. we have better and cleaner burning gas, the sulfur smell has been gone years with the introduction of low sulfur diesel and gasoline. And by the way Ozone is a big factor in poor lung fuction, i.e. asthma and COPD, which my father inlaw died from. I have been involved in the air polution issue since the 1970's, you are out of your league.
I don't think you really understand what you think you understand, but that's ok you are entitled to your believe your mis-information. CATS GOOD, EMISSION CONTROLS GOOD, The rotten egg smell is from poorly refined fuel, it is sulfur, in Calif. we have better and cleaner burning gas, the sulfur smell has been gone years with the introduction of low sulfur diesel and gasoline. And by the way Ozone is a big factor in poor lung fuction, i.e. asthma and COPD, which my father inlaw died from. I have been involved in the air polution issue since the 1970's, you are out of your league.
toptechx6
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I agree, we need to reexamine our thinking on performance modification or face the consequences both legally and environmentally.
EttevroC
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Could you provide the reference for this quote? Thanks
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If you don't like pollution, move out of the city and into the country, I live in Canada and you can breath free, no smog, and drink out of the creeks. Stop poluting up stream and stop living so close to each other, in the cities.
Where I live we still have some dirt roads, just like dukes of hazzard. If I recall the general lee didn't have cats
Where I live we still have some dirt roads, just like dukes of hazzard. If I recall the general lee didn't have cats
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So calimexifornia gets better gas than the rest of the country is allowed to have?
How about we compromise, you send us this special non poluting gas and we'll use it to run cleaner with our non-cat cars...then they'll be at about the same level as the cat cars running on our subquality gas.
(signed - fastlane to the edge this way this thread's going!:L)
How about we compromise, you send us this special non poluting gas and we'll use it to run cleaner with our non-cat cars...then they'll be at about the same level as the cat cars running on our subquality gas.
(signed - fastlane to the edge this way this thread's going!:L)
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So calimexifornia gets better gas than the rest of the country is allowed to have?
How about we compromise, you send us this special non poluting gas and we'll use it to run cleaner with our non-cat cars...then they'll be at about the same level as the cat cars running on our subquality gas.
(signed - fastlane to the edge this way this thread's going!:L)
Yea, and at the $4.00+ a gallon price they are paying??? NO WAY!!:W
minifridge1138
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I want to say/ask a few things.
1) I have never taken the catalytic converter off of a car. And I have no plans to do so.
2) In order for catalytic converters to work properly, the engine has to run richer than normal. This increases the amount of fuel burned, increases the amount of Carbon released into the atmosphere, and lowers mpg.
3) Catalytic converters are estimated to produce 50% of the N2O released into the atmosphere. DiNitrous Oxide is safe to breathe, but is a potent green house gas. N20 has 296 times the impact on Global Warming than C02 per mass. N20 is the 3rd most dangerous greenhouse gas even though it is only 0.00005% of the atmosphere.
4) Catalytic Converters require platinum or palladium. The roughly 15% of these metals comes from Russia and they aren't exactly known for their environmentally friendly industries.
5) The largest producer of Methane Gas in California is cattle.
6) Electric cars are very clean, but unless you live near a nuclear power plant, you probably charge the car with power from a coal burning power plant. How many piles per pound of coal do you get? Which is worse, to burn 1 pound of gasoline or 1 pound of coal?
I'm not saying that Converters are bad, but they are far from perfect. Instead of focusing on cars built yesterday, we should focus on cars being built today. Like the 2008 Corvette that has 430 hp AND emissions equipment.
1) I have never taken the catalytic converter off of a car. And I have no plans to do so.
2) In order for catalytic converters to work properly, the engine has to run richer than normal. This increases the amount of fuel burned, increases the amount of Carbon released into the atmosphere, and lowers mpg.
3) Catalytic converters are estimated to produce 50% of the N2O released into the atmosphere. DiNitrous Oxide is safe to breathe, but is a potent green house gas. N20 has 296 times the impact on Global Warming than C02 per mass. N20 is the 3rd most dangerous greenhouse gas even though it is only 0.00005% of the atmosphere.
4) Catalytic Converters require platinum or palladium. The roughly 15% of these metals comes from Russia and they aren't exactly known for their environmentally friendly industries.
5) The largest producer of Methane Gas in California is cattle.
6) Electric cars are very clean, but unless you live near a nuclear power plant, you probably charge the car with power from a coal burning power plant. How many piles per pound of coal do you get? Which is worse, to burn 1 pound of gasoline or 1 pound of coal?
I'm not saying that Converters are bad, but they are far from perfect. Instead of focusing on cars built yesterday, we should focus on cars being built today. Like the 2008 Corvette that has 430 hp AND emissions equipment.
EttevroC
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General motors technician trainning school instructor Fremont Calif.circa late 70's.
That's not a verifiable source now is that?
You were writing like you were some sort of scientist so I assumed that you were. My bad. :confused
for now I will enjoy the extra 20 HP
minifridge1138
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Lets not attack the new guy. That's not what i was trying to do in my post.
It is his Car and if he wants to keep the catalytic converters, then he can (in fact the law is on his side). He can add extra converters if he wants to. That is the wonderful thing about these cars: you can make them into whatever you want them to be.
As I said in my post, I have never removed the catalytic converts from my car and I have no plans to.
Have fun and enjoy the drive!
It is his Car and if he wants to keep the catalytic converters, then he can (in fact the law is on his side). He can add extra converters if he wants to. That is the wonderful thing about these cars: you can make them into whatever you want them to be.
As I said in my post, I have never removed the catalytic converts from my car and I have no plans to.
Have fun and enjoy the drive!
EttevroC
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The good, the bad and the ugly...
Ugly: The money we are forced to spend on emissions when our 20 + year old cars are used slightly more than an environmentalist uses a oldtimie, non motorized, environmentally sound rotary push mower to mow his/her lawn. (We all see our greenie friends pull out their manual mowers don't we?)
Bad: Environmental Emission testing; when the testing center staff doesn't even knows how to drive stick, then proceeds to jack and jerk your vette all over the place on the conveyor apparatus of death. (It's a horror show handing over your valueble car to a "Technician" with the name tag of "Abbie NorMal.")
Good: If your Cats do go bad,,, definitely get the free flow replacements, my old vette now has a real tiger in it's engine-bay, trying to claw its way out and eat up all those Toyota "Pri@$$es." My vette may or may not have 20 additional HP, but somethings is a rumbling and roaring in front of my two feet, and my uneducated @$$ tells me it is moving along quite a bit quicker now then it did before.
BTW, I do use a non-petroleum motivated rotary push mower,,, it's good exercise; besides, the pretty women who stroll past my home with their green colored hemp grocery bags in tow are so impressed by how environmentally sensitive I am.
Ugly: The money we are forced to spend on emissions when our 20 + year old cars are used slightly more than an environmentalist uses a oldtimie, non motorized, environmentally sound rotary push mower to mow his/her lawn. (We all see our greenie friends pull out their manual mowers don't we?)
Bad: Environmental Emission testing; when the testing center staff doesn't even knows how to drive stick, then proceeds to jack and jerk your vette all over the place on the conveyor apparatus of death. (It's a horror show handing over your valueble car to a "Technician" with the name tag of "Abbie NorMal.")
Good: If your Cats do go bad,,, definitely get the free flow replacements, my old vette now has a real tiger in it's engine-bay, trying to claw its way out and eat up all those Toyota "Pri@$$es." My vette may or may not have 20 additional HP, but somethings is a rumbling and roaring in front of my two feet, and my uneducated @$$ tells me it is moving along quite a bit quicker now then it did before.
BTW, I do use a non-petroleum motivated rotary push mower,,, it's good exercise; besides, the pretty women who stroll past my home with their green colored hemp grocery bags in tow are so impressed by how environmentally sensitive I am.
o2bnkc
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I have a bumper sticker on the back of my Avalanche which says " I really don't much care how you did it in California." You wouldn't believe the the positive response I get from my fellow Nevadians. (The ones that haven't moved here from California.)
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Unfortuneately we in PHX AZ are required to comply with emission testing. Not all the techs who work at the testing center are morons, last time I had my DD 92 tested the guy who did it had his daily driven 96 LT4 in the parking lot and we had a nice chat. The gas we burn is refined in CA and piped to AZ so I have the good stuff too (LOL). As I flew back into PHX the other morning (from a road trip to Sacramento) the smog cloud was clearly evident, stacked up against the mountains which rim the valley. Looked pretty damn disgusting, anything we can do to help from breathing this crap is a good thing. The jetstream carries pollution from CA to the Grand Canyon, the views are not as clear as they were yrs back and the pollution is actually staining the walls of the canyon black. The same jetstream carries the U.S. pollution into Canada, some of the most pristine lakes and rivers in Nelson 84's beloved country are polluted with acid rain and other toxins from the U.S. I'm not saying that cats are the answer, Im a mechanic damn it, not a scientist. But I wont be trying to take mine off and trying to skirt the emmissions testing anytime soon either. Not all auto emissions equiptment is bad for performance. The corvette Im driving is much more powerful than my first car I bought back in my youth, a 73 camaro with a 350 cu in v8 that had a whopping 175 h.p. factory rated engine.
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