Convertible top is rubbing through the paint on the deck lid

[Paul G]

This is on a 2000 Millenium yellow convertible. The top has seams on both sides. The seams rub against the paint on the deck lid. Both sides do it. This rubbing has worn through the paint. The dealer has repainted the deck lid twice. It is still happening. Is there a permanent fix to stop this?

 

[srwilli]

Top Rubbing

Paul,

A guy in my club had this problem on a 99. He told me that there was a service bulletin on this problem. I believe he had the top seal replaced. Check with your dealer or search the web on the service bulletin.

 

[Paul G]

The dealer is Playing dumb for some reason. They can not come up with a service bulletin for this problem. I will search for one myself if I can figure out how.

Thanks.

 

[c4c5specialist]

HI there,
The bulletin is 02-08-111-01.
I usually adjust the top every six months, as there are several adjustment points, not only the rear #5 bow, which is what is rubbing on the deck lid.
The new rear weatherstrip is number, 10313384 is the part.
I would use that and have it ordered in.
If you use a 13mm and a 15mm, you can at least adjust the top off the paint.
Let us know if you need further assistance.
YoursinCorvette, c4c5

 

[srwilli]

Here is the service bulletin #

02-08-111-001 FEB 02 Tonneau Cover - Paint Is Wearing Through

You can search at the site below for recalls/service bulletins.

http://www.alldata.com/recalls/index.html

 

[Stan The Man]

I am having a similar problem, but it has only reached marking the clear coat surface at present, in my case the top rubs across the central area and not just where the top fabric is folded and joined.

The obstacle to overcome is that the dealership, here in UK, has lost interest since GM stopped official imports. To help speed things along I copied the Service Bulletin mentioned above and took it along at the time of registering the complaint. Six weeks later there has been zero progress due, according to the dealership that the Part Number quoted in the Service Bulletin 10319827 'does not register in the system'.

So may I ask if the Part Number quoted by c4c5specialist is in fact the correct number? I want to get this moving, as I am reluctant to drive the car with the top up and damage the paintwork further.

Regarding adjustments it appears reducing the pressure on the 5th bow is going to make the top 'shake rattle and roll' rather than cure the problem by using a new thicker seal. Viewing a 2000 car next to a 2002 model clearly indicates the use of different seals. Or have I got this wrong?

Best regards,

Stan The Man

 

[c4c5specialist]

Hi Stan,
Unfortunately, you will not be able to reference this number out there in the UK.
If you want to, contact www.gmpartsdirect.com
Input the number, that will give you the price and shipping costs.
If the car is underwarranty, they can reference a 02, or 03 convertible.
Yes, the weatherstrip is different for 02 vs 00
Ask for the #5 bow weatherstrip, which contacts the hard toneau cover.
If the adjustment is correct, you will not lower the tightness of the top, nor create rattles.
YoursinCorvette, c4c5

 

[RubyDropTop]

The alldata.com website looks like a good place to start, but unless you pay their fee, you cannot gain access to the content of the TSBs. Does anyone have a source/web site that may disclose the TSB contents without charging a fee? Thanks.

Here is the service bulletin #

02-08-111-001 FEB 02 Tonneau Cover - Paint Is Wearing Through

You can search at the site below for recalls/service bulletins.

http://www.alldata.com/recalls/index.html

 

[Stan The Man]

I read up the TSB right here on this site, but contacting gmpartsdirect.com was advised that the TSB number was invalid!
I must confess without checking the 'alldata' free info (list of TSB numbers and titles) seems to bear the TSB Number as the full TSB available here.

Add that to the fact that I cannot quote the USA Part Number in the UK, life gets complicated does it not! ad However my moto is Stan CAN and WILL (if I want).

Thanks for your info c4c5specialist, very best regards,

Stan The Man

 

[Stan The Man]

Sorry RubyDropTop I should have said 'click on Knowledgebase at the top of this page and follow the trail from there'.

Checking the TSB Numbers I find that this site quotes '02-08-111-001' and AllData quote '02-08-111-001 FEB 02' so perhaps the omitted date invalidated the number as far as gmpartsdirect.com are concerned. The title is slightly different but this surely should not affect the TSB Number.

Any suggestions? Best regards

Stan The Man

 

[gtzy]

Just replaced the conv top #5 bow weatherstrip with the replacement part# 10319827,it has a insert inside the area of the weatherstrip under the window area,which prevents the weatherstrip from compressing and keeps the top from touching the tonneau cover

 

[Stan The Man]

Thanks for the info gtzy, there had to be a difference between the parts. Are you sure the insert is only under the rear screen? I first learned of this problem in an article describing how to reduce the effect of the extra thickness produced by the seams in the top fabric panels. These seams fall on the outer rear corners of the top where it touches the cover. The first post above also indicates this as the problem area, mine is under the rear screen. This suggests that the replacement seal should be thicker for most of it’s length.

My update is that after another shot at gmpartsdirect.com, asking them to look up their list of TSB’s for that related to ‘Paint wear through on the 5th bow’ got the confirmation I wanted. Then going back to my ‘authorised dealer’ who could not locate the Part Number on the system, until I suggested that they look under 2002 model year. The dealers here have definitely lost interest since the withdrawal of official imports. The part has been ordered but no sign of it almost four weeks later.

So it will be next year before I can safely drive with the top up, as I am not running the car on salted roads for any purpose.

Best regards,

Stan The Man

 

[Black_Magic]

If you want to try to adjust youself, here is a link Click Here

Good Luck

 

[Joecooool]

I think Ecklers sells a clear plastic piece that protects your paint.

 

[69/99]

5th bow seal replacement

I am as confused as you are Stan The Man. I have a 99 vert with paint wear at the center of bow 5 and have made the adjustments to the top which has helped. I now want to replace the seal. Service Bulletin 02-08-111-001 states the replacement part is #10319827. c4c5 Specialist states the part is #10313384. GM Parts Direct.com cannot locate part #10319827 but they do stock part #10313384. WHICH PART IS IT? Is #10313384 a redesign of #10319827? c4c5, please clarify this for me. I want to make sure I order the correct part that will resolve this issue.

 

[Stan The Man]

Hi 69/99

I believe the correct part is #10319827 as stated in the bulletin you mention. This appears to be confirmed by gtzy above.

My local dealer has ordered this part, which could not be found on the 'system' until they looked under the 2002 model year. If/when it arrives, it is taking a very long time, I may be able to confirm the number.

Meanwhile the suggestions regarding adjustment and/or tape above are a must. Personally I have only driven with the top down since noticing the abrasion to the cover paintwork.

Regarding adjustment, quote slipping a piece of paper between the hood and cover, this should be more like a thick card clearance. At this years CCCUK Nationals, looking at a 2002 model next to earlier models, it was very obvious that the clearance has increased. On the 2002 year it was almost possible to touch the seal with the tip of the small finger. On earlier years some had nil to thin card clearance. One thing was very obvious there is absolutely no way that adjustment could produce the amount of clearance provided by the thicker seal and keep the top firm when erected. Further regardless of adjustment made the seal will still compress under impact caused by potholes etc. So whilst it may provide some protection there is still danger lurking. GM would not issue a TSB on the subject if it was not necessary, getting the rest of the ‘team’ up to speed and perhaps fully updating the parts list is another subject.

Best regards

StanTheMan

 

[69/99]

Thanks for your input Stan The Man. Please post your results once you get the new weatherstrip seal installed.

 

[gtzy]

part# 10313384 is the lid protector which is the black insert that the #5 bow w/s sits on when the top is in the up position.This is a revised part that is referred to in TSB# 01-08-67-003 [Squeak from Rear of Convertible Top].
The revised part has a more course finish than the org part's smoother surface which caused squeaks from contact with the #5 w/s.
part#10319827 is the revised #5 bow w/s. It has an approx list price of $82.00. Marhofer Chevrolet 330-688-6644 had one in stock the last time I was there a few weeks ago. Prevously other dealers had told me that part# was not a good number.
Another had to call GMSP to obtain the price. That maybe why the online parts supplier may have a problem supplying the part.

 

[69/99]

Thanks for the clarification on the different part numbers.

 

[Rob]

Sorry RubyDropTop I should have said 'click on Knowledgebase at the top of this page and follow the trail from there'.

Checking the TSB Numbers I find that this site quotes '02-08-111-001' and AllData quote '02-08-111-001 FEB 02' so perhaps the omitted date invalidated the number as far as gmpartsdirect.com are concerned. The title is slightly different but this surely should not affect the TSB Number.

Any suggestions? Best regards

Stan The Man

To the best of my knowledge, the TSB we have for this issue in the Knowledgebase is the most recent version. Not sure if this clarifies the situation any...