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Cryo Treating (-300 f.) to strengthen metal parts ???

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Been seeing ads in magazines regarding this process ; has anyone tried it ? Is it expensive ? Im told they freeze the part(s) at -300 f . then allow them to gradually warm back up to room temperature and this alters the molecular state of the metal to make it much stronger --- sometimes as much as 300% stronger. It can be done on bearings, camshafts, rockers, virtually anything.

What is your take on this process ??

Is it common amongst racers ??


Thanks, Dave
 
hey dave my brother does it on all his engine parts,he sends it out somewhere in ohio i believe.Not sure on cost.
 
Pat,

Greetings !!

Ask your brother for the name of the place in Ohio , and what they charge for some common parts . Thanks.

Dave
 
Dave,

I've had interest in this process for several years ... But the majority of my restoration work was already done before I learned about it. I have yet to hear any negative feedback on this topic ... I'll be interested in following this thread.

BTW- A few links with info & pricing (I'm *NOT* affliated with this company):
http://www.onecryo.com/motorsp.htm

One link to an old article (bottom) has kool info:
http://www.onecryo.com/onecryo/motorsport-prijune98.htm

Pricing list (updated May 24, 2003):
http://www.onecryo.com/onecryo/motorspt-pricing.htm

Hope that helpz,
Jack
 
Jack,

Thanks much for those sites. Will check them out.

Im done with my frameup resto. as well, but, i thought next time i need a gearbox rebuild or differential rebuild...that id go the cryo route. (I wonder if its feasible to drop an entire gearbox in the cryo tank ??!!) .

Dave
 
Dave,

While doing a quick Google search, I did see some companies with a price list caluclated by the "pound" for motorsports projects.

Ciao,
Jack
 
1. I wonder how one can tell , outwardly, 'if' the parts were actually cryo'd or not ??? Think there could be some scams going on in this field ?

2. Do u think there would be any benefit at all, to storing parts for weeks on end in a deep freezer held at -20 f ??

Dave
 
Dave,

I'm sure there are scams in every industry ... This would be no different. Just like Corvette restoration, you need to do your homework and get good recommendations from people with experience (that leaves me out :) ).

Couple notes from surfing this topic:

1) http://www.300below.com has a neat quote:
"No. Cryogenically Treated parts are never used in my racing team ...Would I lie?"

"And if you believe that, I have an unrestored, one-owner, fuel-injected '63 Corvette split-window with only 500 miles. The point I am trying to make is, major motorsports teams ARE using cryogenics, but there's no way they will give away their secret. "

2) This text from another site will lead me to answer your second question:
"CryoTweaks utilizes a computer controlled process that brings the temperature down to cryogenic levels slowly, minimizing the chance of damage to your items. Once at cryogenic levels, the process maintains the temperature for several hours, then slowly brings the temperature back up. This process is controlled within 1 degree at all times, and it takes several days to complete.

What happens during this process is relatively simple. When metallic objects are frozen, they contract. When they are cryogenically frozen they contract to such a degree that the molecules are fundamenally restructured, i.e. boundaries of the crystal structure of the metal are reduced, if not eliminated. "

3) So, to answer your question about your own deep freezer:
Your parts will absolutely last much longer with this technique ... The longer they are in your freezer, the less use they will get! ;)

Ciao,
Jack
 
i know this is a sideline, but could cryo be used in conjunction with a low friction coating ive seen advertised? if both process are legit and compatible, the end result would be stronger and reduced friction. also doing both at the same time would obviously save$$$$
mike
 
Cryo treatment is used more and more in match grade rifle barrels where a tenth of an inch at 1000yds, yes 1000, can be the difference between winning and finishing out of the money. The cryo treatment lessens the vibrations in a barrel when fired and makes those vibrations more consistant. Although I am not a mechanic, I have always heard that the less vibration in an engine, the better. I imagine that a cryo treated and balanced 327 would realllyyyy sing. Classic
 

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