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Hi, I am a college kid in Michigan and due to the nature of the state and my own love of cars I have decided to try to pick up a Vette. I was wondering what should I be looking for when I buy? Like, what are the best years to buy? Is a L82 really worth it, should I go manual or automatic, ect.

So far I have narrowed my choices down to two vehicles, I was asking if I could maybe have a couple of you look over the posted ads and let me know what you think. I would really appreciate it, and when I start restoring I will keep the forum updated.

The links are:

80 Corvette Stingray
Corvette L82 4-Spd 1979

Thank You, I do appreciate the help.
 
Well.....which one do you like better? I mean..how do they make you feeeel? Both look nice and the L82 was the performance option back then. I owned a 79 with a 4 speed. Easy to work on and a lot of fun to drive. Which one is in better shape mechanically? That is what I would check out. To me the 79 looks like it is setting up high for some reason.....may just be the picture. Good entry level C3's that won't break the bank and will make you smile when you are driving it around. Good luck with your choice and welcome to the CAC.....you will fit right in....:thumb
 
Well being a college kid could be a challenge unless you have cash to support it. Course I had my first vette at 18 and rebuilt it, my son had his the night he graduated from HS and he rebuilt it.

Now as to what year to get? that depends on what you like. Between the 2 you mentioned I would go with the '79 L82 4 spd.
The '79 was the last year for the much better iron differential, although '79's were not the best. The 4 spd would be a ST-10 which is a good street transmission matched to 355 or 370 gears most likely.

The interior parts were more plastic then earlier years and they tend to need interior replacements.

The same checking procedures for all C2-C3's should be followed, the birdcage and frame for rot, IRS for work done, body and paint fitment, brakes and exhaust.

The values on the later C3's is no where near the chrome cars but they are pretty much the same; same issues- pro/con. Very good to learn about and to work on yourself.

The L82 engines were very good, they had the better parts in them and were the remnant of the old 70-72 LT1's. If it's the original L82 engine that would be a positive. There weren't many 4 spds in the later years so that could be a nice car.

Just be sure of what your overall objective is, if you think of it being an investment you're better off running Red at the local casino tables. If you want it to keep a long time, work on and drive then it could be a great deal if the price is right and the amount of work needed is reasonable, just be prepared they all new work and some of the work already done may not be correct.
 
Just saw the pic's. Muncies were not offered in '79 and an M22 certainly not. So either someone installed a "rock crusher" M22 trans or the original owner is clueless. If the 2nd then you better look real close at the car because there could be other things mis-represented on the car. I would look over all the records on the car as well, see who did the work. For instance rear bearings are done by dozens but the work is not all the same and I have repaired a fair share of them to know. If done right no problem - if not then you will be doing them again.

Check the engine stampings to be sure the engine is the original L82. I see some red flags at that price you may be looking at someone elses money pit.

I wasn't too impressed with the other car.

Do your homework before buying.
 
Don't take this the wrong way but borderline broke college student + 35 year old car in 'meh' condition = ends in tears.

Any 'cheap' Corvette will almost always need an equal amount of cash or more to get it anywhere near reliable. They are 'project' cars in that price range, ready for restoration not daily transport.
 
It is going to be something that I work on through and after college to learn about doing the work myself. Just more of a hobby thing than anything else. Would you recommend taking it to a garage to get it checked out before I buy?

I have a primary car already and access to a garage and qualified people to help me with it. Money shouldn't be a big issue since I work. I was scared of falling into someone's money pit. I should have around 1500 to put into the car right away, if the seller holds firm on price, the lower he goes, the more Ill have at the beginning. Will that be enough?
 
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1st welcome to CAC!!!
2nd good luck with your search!!!
if you are mechanically inclined,you should be able to figure out your vette.
which ever one you decide to purchase,AFTER your purchase get the AIM-Assembly Instruction Manual,
as well as a factory service manual.these are the bibles for our vettes,they tell you how they were built,as well as how the
should be repaired.
 
Hi, I am a college kid in Michigan and due to the nature of the state and my own love of cars I have decided to try to pick up a Vette. I was wondering what should I be looking for when I buy? Like, what are the best years to buy? Is a L82 really worth it, should I go manual or automatic, ect.

So far I have narrowed my choices down to two vehicles, I was asking if I could maybe have a couple of you look over the posted ads and let me know what you think. I would really appreciate it, and when I start restoring I will keep the forum updated.

The links are:

80 Corvette Stingray
Corvette L82 4-Spd 1979

Thank You, I do appreciate the help.

My advice- buy the best Vette you can afford.


I had a C3 through college. In those days, gas was $1 or so a gallon- so a '78 with a TH350 was okay in those days. But, with gas on average between $3-$4 these days, you may want to consider which year model you go after. Mainly, because the later models have some sort of engine management system.

Only the '82 has an overdrive and fuel injection. Those two aspects could help out a lot with long term affordability- in gas an maintenance.


You might get more Vette for the money in terms of a C4, like this 1986 C4. I think you might struggle with finding a C3 Vette between $4500 and $5500 that won't need some work- and in many cases, most will need a LOT of work.

I don't bring up non-C3 Vettes to be unhelpful, but rather from a point of view that is completely honest from my own personal experience. Both of my resto-mod C3s started out as $5-7k Vettes. For the first year or two (or more!), they were more like money pits as I went through and replaced practically everything on them. Yes, you can save a lot of money on repairs- but only if you have access to tools and you have the skill or someone else who is knowledgeable and willing to help with repairs. This I think you know, but just agreeing with you and letting you know you are on the right track.

Regardless of what you get, it'll be yours. You'll have to live with its flaws- as well as its highlights. It's got to fit into YOUR life.


Best of luck- and let us know what other Vettes you are looking at. There are a lot of guys (and gals!) who can help spot things that might be red flags.


And... who knows... maybe you can even meet a CAC member from your area who can help look over a Vette you seriously consider making an offer on. :thumb
 
My advice is not to make any decisions until you've done your homework. You're a student. Head to the library and see what you can find on Corvettes and the 1968-82 model years in particular. Read about these cars to give yourself basic knowledge of what you're wanting to do.

This is good, but it is out of print. You can still get a copy in ebook format.
C3BuyersGuide.jpg


This is also good.
corvette-cover.jpg


You should also call your insurance agent and ask about insurance for these cars. Some carriers will no longer insure them.

Good luck.

:thumb
 
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if I were you I would try to find someone that knows about C3 corvettes. Try the local corvette club or maybe some help from a person on this forum that is local. It's really a shot in the dark without actually looking at the car and driving it.
 
Try to go to as many car shows as you can and see Corvettes in person. Definitely read as many books and learn as much as you can before you buy. Then you can look for THE Vette instead of a Vette.
 
That makes sense. Ill have to continue my research. Thanks for all the help so far.
 
It is going to be something that I work on through and after college to learn about doing the work myself. Just more of a hobby thing than anything else. Would you recommend taking it to a garage to get it checked out before I buy?

I have a primary car already and access to a garage and qualified people to help me with it. Money shouldn't be a big issue since I work. I was scared of falling into someone's money pit. I should have around 1500 to put into the car right away, if the seller holds firm on price, the lower he goes, the more Ill have at the beginning. Will that be enough?

Increase that $1500 to maybe $11500 and you'll be at the lower end of a nice looking and mechanically sound Corvette.
 
Welcome

Owning a Corvette is a DISEASE;LOL. It gets in your blood early in life, and there is nothing you can do. $50 bucks here, $100 there, and a $1,000 when your wife approves…...I got my first vette in college (before wife) because the insurance was cheaper than a 79 Trans-am at the time, and 25 years later I still have one.
My Advice is to echo a couple of points already stated:
1). Take your time…There are 1,000s of Vettes out there. Some bargains and some “Turds” aka MONEY PITS.
2). Get involved in the closest Corvette Club or NCRS (National Corvette Restorers Society – National Corvette Restorers Society) Chapter. The individuals involved in these organizations have the DISEASE, and they will be more than willing to assist……..Hell one of they may even have a good vette in your price range they would part with. My son and I got our current 82 from an area NCRS member thinning his heard….
3). Expand your geographical search. I live in the Chicago area…..prior to picking up our current ’82, my son and I looked at 50+ vettes in the Chicago/mid-west area…..every one of them in the less than $8,000 range were rust buckets. Not to the point that they need new frames/bird cages, but just the pain of repairing rusted suspension components, body mounts, corroded brake lines etc. was not something I wanted to deal with. Look on Craig’s list down south. Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte etc. Get an idea what your money will buy down there. These vettes typically have not been exposed to the crap we have to deal with here in the mid-west.
4). Last but not least, when you finally find the one you cannot live without….BUY IT.
When you are cruising down the road, t-tops off, wind blowing through your hair (I had hair 25 years ago), and you pass another vette on the road…….

WAVE to them. “Save the Wave” :beer
 
Welcome to the :CAC

First, congrats on knowing the first thing about buying a Corvette... Asking lots of questions first from people that have first hand experience. "It's good to learn from your mistakes. It's better learn from other people's mistakes."

As Kane said, and he may even have been quoting me from long ago (or maybe I was quoting someone else long ago...can't even remember now! :L) Buy the most Corvette you can afford!
Unless your shop & friends are going to do everything for free, including parts acquisition, you'll spend more fixing the car than you will if you spend the money upfront on a working car. For example, Say you've got $10K to spend. You choices are an $8500 car that will need approximately $1500 in repairs, or there is a $10K car that will max your budget, doesn't really need any repairs. That $8500 car is going to require more than $1500 in repairs, guaranteed!
"How can I make such a guarantee?" Because on our old cars, once you start digging into it, you're going to find all kinds of other stuff that wasn't immediately noticeable and/or you're going to be in a position of, "Well, while we're here, we may as well replace/fix that too! Doesn't make sense not too. :eyerole"
Now that 4 hour, $1500 repair just became a 15 hour, $2500 repair. (There are many true stories about starting with a simple repair turning into a body-off restoration.)
So what does that leave you with? An $11K car that still isn't on the road. You could've had the $10K car, lots less assache, and been driving it instead of cursing it.

Regarding the two cars you have listed here... there's a couple of things to mention.
1) Use the knowledge base / model center here at the CAC to go through the various years. It's essentially the Corvette Black Book online. There were usually fairly significant changes made year to year, especially between 1979 & 1980. See what the changes were and if they impact your decision.

2) Your preference seems to be C3's, but not entirely based on body style since the 68-73,74-79,80-82 all have fairly distinct styling cues. Is the C3 attraction due mainly to the cost of the car?

3) Don't buy an "affordable" C3 vette thinking that you are going to have a rocket on the street. A newer 4-banger Civic driven by some punk 17 yr old will likely hand you a smug cup of defeat in almost all worthwhile performance categories. And it doesn't matter what the original factory specs were. 30+ years later of engine & driveline wear are not going to have the engine performing at factory spec (which, sadly, wasn't all that great to begin with, but it was the best you could get in that particular year).

4) The '79's L82 engine is no longer original, so don't let the "L82 option" sway you. "With the work that has been done, the motor should be putting out 235 - 245 HP." Should be... at the crank? The wheels? Yeah, and by who's measurement? His repairs should've fixed whatever he thought was the problem, but if it didn't, that's now going to be your problem. We often refer to this as "Bubba". "It seems Bubba worked on this car and now I have to go back and do everything the right way." The guy "spent a good amount of time getting it usable as a daily driver"....is he in the business of flipping cars? Or is there a better reason he's dumping it, like, say he got in over his head? Don't let his mess become yours! (PS - The 1979 was heavier than the '80, so the additional engine power was negated to some extent.)
Does MI have emissions rules? He removed most of the emissions stuff from the engine. Is that going to pose a problem? In Ohio, it used to be that in order to get exempted from future checks, you had to first pass the e-check with factory parts installed. And if he made significant internal changes, for better or for worse, adding the smog stuff back on my not help anyways. This doesn't sound like a position you want to put yourself in.
Also, I can't tell for sure from the pics, but it looks like there may be a 1980 rear bumper on there with a center-mounted antenna. Not that that's a major distraction. It was common for people to put the '80 style bumpers on their '79s.

5) Between the two you've listed, I'd take the '80 for a few bucks less. I'm leery of what may or may not have been done on the '79. Maybe the guy is a great garage mechanic and really made it a nice driver. Or maybe he's Bubba and took an "OK" car and made it worse.

6) Knowing what I know now, personally I'm not sure I'd choose either of them. You didn't give a budget so we can't quite help you make a fully informed decision. I'm guessing the price of these cars plus the $1500 you said you'd have available to 'put in to it' gets you in the $6500 range. I'd start looking at $6500 cars and pass on these two. I've said it many times before in various threads here... Used vettes are beyond numerous; There's tons of 'em out there. Don't let the money burn a hole in your pocket. Be patient. Find the car you really want and not one that you're just willing to settle for. It's like settling on a girlfriend..."settling" always ends up a bad choice in the long run.

We at the CAC love helping new enthusiasts get in on the action while making good decisions along the way! And we love resto stories. Don't hesitate to ask questions. You'll get plenty of answers for everything along the way.

(PS - If you end up with an '80, let me know. I'll send you a GM service manual on CD :thumb)
 
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I think this should go well for you. Why? You're asking questions before making a purchase decision, which shows maturity that some your age do not have. Heck, some my age don't have it! And, you came to the right place. The knowledge here at the CAC is OUTSTANDING!

The best advice I've read so far is to buy the best Vette you can, within your budget. A little more money up front may mean a newer Vette with fewer miles, probably less wear and tear, which should translate into less future repair costs.

You asked about taking it to a mechanic for a pre-purchase inspection, which imo is an absolute must. Whether you decide to go for a Vette that's more of a project or one that's in better shape from jump, an inspection, which should be about $100 - $150 could save you ten times that or more, in repair costs.

Definitely, find a local Corvette club and join. The members will have plenty of advice to give you, and should be able to refer you to an honest mechanic, who knows Corvettes, for a pre-purchase inspection.

Maybe a club member will take a liking to you, and decide that it's time to sell that older Vette the wife's been after him to get rid of for all these years. They should want to be as up front as possible about whatever issues it has. And, you wouldn't be buying from a total stranger. However, it's still a buyer beware situation, which takes us back to the importance of an inspection.

If you're considering a Vette that isn't owned by a club member, it's possible that a member may know some history for that Vette, that the current owner either doesn't know, or won't want you to know.

Good luck, and as a C4 owner, I do recommend considering a C4 unless you're in love with the C3's shape (which is understandable!) You may be able to find a C4 with (relatively) low miles and stick to your budget. Here are a couple (1985 Corvette 5.7L TunePort FI - 57K miles - Ex. Condition) and (1985 Corvette) from your local CL that would be approaching the max of your budget, but if well cared for, and with low miles, should have far fewer issues for a new owner to deal with than the other Vettes you're currently looking at.
 
Good luck, and as a C4 owner, I do recommend considering a C4 unless you're in love with the C3's shape (which is understandable!)
I'm just gonna chime in here to be funny, but also with a hint of sincerity... One thing I always praise about the pre-81 vettes... NO COMPUTERS! Yes, you can diagnose "easier" (sometimes) with computer controls, but they also seem to be the source of just as many problems you normally wouldn't have to worry about... :L

UNR3AL, here's an easy 3-step flowchart for troubleshooting non-computerized vettes.

1) Is it an electrical/ground problem?
YES - Clean all the grounding points and check your grounding cables.
NO - Check fuel delivery

2) Is it a fuel delivery problem?
YES - Check fuel pump and carb adjustments.
NO - Check vacuum

3) Is it a vacuum problem?
YES - Check all the vacuum lines and replace as necessary.
NO - Your problem is imaginary. Go drive your car and enjoy it!

:upthumbs :bu

POST EDIT: If you were going to consider a C4, the LT4 engine was the cat's meow. But you'll never find it in your price range. May as well try to get a early 70's LT-1 engine at that point. :-)
 
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