Oh Look!! Cadillac gets the C6 engine BEFORE the C6 How special!

[CFour]

The problem I see here is people getting upset about the the Cadillac supposedly getting the Corvette C6's engine first. The C6 isn't even in production yet, but ok, so let's humor one another for the time being and assume it is.

So what?

Would I be wrong in suggesting that if the Cadillac came out with some superpowerful production engine that blew the doors off the Corvette, the same people would be *****ing that the Corvette didn't get that engine? Or that the Cadillac came out with some future type of engineeing enhancements that didn't appear on the Corvette - peple would be *****ing that the Corvette didn't get that technology?

My God people - we're talking about the pros and cons of change on something that hasn't even gone into production yet.

Back in 1996/1997 Corvette owners were *****ing and complaining about how horrible the C5 was going to be - and take a look at the accolades and awards the platform has received during those 7 years of production.

Last but not least: for the record, I have been looking at BMW M3s as my everyday transportation.

Why? Because right now, for my daily purposes, I like the styling, performance, and quality of the BMW M3 model. Plus, I like the idea of the backseat for those rare occasions when I have more than just one passenger to haul.

If Cadillac comes out with a model that I find just as visually appealing as the M3, that performs as good if not better than the M3 and has build quality as good if not better than the M3, I would have no problem buying that model - whether it's a CTS-V or something else - regardless of whether or not it has the Corvette C6's engine in it first or not.

Sorry but I think some of you are just to young and not as involved in the "corvette sport" as some of us old timers are. We care about our car and where GM is about to lead it. Im sure the "go fast" people could care less as long as its pretty and ahhh it goes fast. To some of us Corvette is a LOT more and if you dont get it I cant draw you a picture.

 

[Rob]

the only reason i "lashed out"is because its one thing to express an opinion,but to beat every little bit of info to a 5 page thread is rediculous,its to the point were i dont want to enter the c6 forum because its",trash g.m.,trash the caddy,trash the c6.i told,i told,you," have a good weekend,i expressed my opinion and im moving on.i'm into vettes more than you know,and will continue to be.
aloha,Todd.

I guess I'm not the only one that is starting to view this forum the same way...

 

[Rob]

Sorry but I think some of you are just to young and not as involved in the "corvette sport" as some of us old timers are. We care about our car and where GM is about to lead it. Im sure the "go fast" people could care less as long as its pretty and ahhh it goes fast. To some of us Corvette is a LOT more and if you dont get it I cant draw you a picture.

Well, I'm old enough to have seen 2 generations of Corvette come to market, and 2005 will be the 3rd. I'm more involved in the "Corvette Sport" than what you think.

 

[CFour]

I have owned 18 brand new Corvettes,.... You? Never missed a Bloomington Gold Show since it opened. Even went with TWO broken legs one year.

 

[Rob]

I have owned 18 brand new Corvettes You?

Ross, quality. Not quantity.

 

[CFour]

I wish, but GM always seems to screw something up Im not kidding when I say this, I have been to the plant so many times to see my cars being built some of the line workers know me by my first name and I have visited there homes and I have taken many out for dinner including Will Cooksey who took me to lunch once or twice.

 

[Dad]

Todd,

Going to have to repeat myself, pay attention, it wasn't you I had reference to. Read the post prior to mine. Since you have directed your reply to me maybe you can explain why "change is good" as you state?

Could it be better said that, “change can be good”? Like GM not putting the Northstar in the Corvette clone? Is that a change, to go from having the Northstar in all of their big cars and then decide not to put it in the XLR? This, after all of the talk about how it was going to be so hard to stuff those heads in between the frame rails. We don’t know that either though, now do we?

As far as GM being trashed, oh well, you had to be there in the 60s, 70s and 80s; they did a great job of doing that by themselves.

If you had understood my comment you would know I did not trash Cadillac, all but one of them that I owned were well over the 100,000 mile mark when I got rid of them. Very good cars, more that just good in most cases.

To include me in “bunch of jealous corvette owners” without knowing me is a bit irresponsible. I hate to burst you bubble but right off hand I can't think of anything that makes me jealous. Now, how do I get a hold of Cher?

 

[FlyingFinn]

Link to the actual article

In Autoweek, they have a whole layout on the CTS V series out in Jan of 2004. The engine? Badged an LS6 (Thats the new C6 motor folks not the old Z06 motor) is refered to in every other word as being straight out of Corvette !!!

Is the following August 11, 2003 cover story the article you are referring to?

http://www.autoweek.com/search/sear...96&Search_Type=STD&Search_ID=1461234&record=9

If so, I'm not sure where you read that this engine is the same as what will be available for the C6. Quoting directly from the article:

Class Divisions: Cadillac’s CTS V-Series will rock the sport-sedan world
With intake and exhaust systems designed specifically for the Cadillac, the car’s 5.7-liter, all-aluminum, pushrod V8 is the same LS6 used in the Corvette Z06. The output lost relative to the Corvette application is minor, with 400 hp at 6000 rpm and 395 lb-ft of torque at 4800 rpm (this is a 5 hp and 5 lb-ft loss at the same revs).

So while this has been an interesting discussion, perhaps it's also simply been much ado about nothing...

Arto

 

[69MyWay]

Hey, I was just messing around on my last two posts to this thread.....quantity...not quality.

But...seriously....

I just had a thought (I tend to do that after drinking some coffee).

I was just thinking back to the introduction of the F body. The original Camaro/Firebird cars were built on the SAME platform, with different engine combinations, body panels, and interior changes.

Do you guys remember? The pontiac ran off with the big block style 350, 400, and 455 pontiac motors, while the Camaro ran the 327-454...etc.

In later generations, they finally ended up running the same exact guts, they just looked different. Most of the time, the camaro was always faster by just a tick than the firebird...due to exhaust or air intake configuration changes (3rd and 4th gen).

The fact they built both was really a good thing. The firebird was always more expensive, and gave people a different options on styling and looks. In the end, the two cars shared so much, that it was a win/win for the aftermarket crowd, and all those needing donor parts!

So....This may not be far off...just higher dollars, and a generally older more seasoned and mature buying market...vs. the typical F body.

 

[phxraptor]

I have owned 18 brand new Corvettes,.... You? Never missed a Bloomington Gold Show since it opened. Even went with TWO broken legs one year.

:confused Gee I wonder how both his legs got broken

 

[bluecoupe]

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there is no point to prove except G.M. is going to have two bad ass cars.

Todd
Let's just hope they don't end up making one car that is just plain old bad (as in NOT good) and on that is just ass. Some day I'd like to buy a "new" Vette (I've owned 3 used Vettes) and I hope they don't ruin it before I get the chance.
Frank

 

[Thumper]

You guys must have waaaay too much free time. Who cares what they build or where they build it. It's like being around a bunch of college alumni arguing about their respective schools. Grow up, move on.

 

[CFour]

You guys must have waaaay too much free time. Who cares what they build or where they build it. It's like being around a bunch of college alumni arguing about their respective schools. Grow up, move on.

<<<< example of "New Generation" owner or "all I care about is going fast". >>>>>>

 

[Gman]

I'll have to stick up for " The New Generation" of corvette owners, even though I'm old school. Most of them that I meet understand what the Corvette is and what it represents. Sure they want to go fast, but so do I. The same cannot be said for The New Generation of Hot Rodders, and that's a shame. Imports are the future of Hot Rodding and along with that comes the ricers. We need the new generation to keep the 'Vette alive and from what I've seen, they're doing a pretty damn good job.

As for that Caddy, no matter what is in the engine bay, it's butt ugly IMO. I still think the Corvette motor should have debuted wrapped in fiberglass. This is just a GM marketing tool, but is it a sellout? I don't know.

 

[bluecoupe]

Thumper
It's been raining every day for two weeks here in NY. I do have way too much time on my hands!

:cry

 

[ROCKETBLOCK]

Good thread!!! A lot of people showing their true colors.

 

[LMN8R]

I don't think that I am mistaken when I say that the CTS-V is getting an LS6 engine. This is not the next generation Vette engine, rather it is a current Z06 engine.

 

[LMN8R]

I read the Autoweek... nevermind.

 

[bluecoupe]

HEy GM,
Stuff that LS6 into the Cavalier. Now that would be news.
:booty

 

[90 Corvette ZR-1]

HEy GM,
Stuff that LS6 into the Cavalier. Now that would be news.
:booty

After spending some time in my friends Z24, don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind.