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Hello everyone. I'm brand new here, but it looks just like home! I got a problem with my '86. The darn inside radiatior fan doesn't come on until about 240 degrees. When it starts up, sure it cools, but by then it's to hot. What is the best , uh, chip, or automatic switch, or whatever, to get that inside fan to turn on at a much lower temperature. I already have a 160 degree thermostat in, but have not upgraded the water pump. Flowkooler's Mirakool pump looks real good, but would like feedback before I let go of hard-earned green. Any help very welcome!
 
Welcome To The Corvette Action Center ejrempel!

Welcome to our little club. :upthumbs

The temperature at which your main fan comes on sounds about right for the model year you have. If you also have a "pusher" fan, an option that came with the Z-51 and Z-52 cars, that fan should come on at around 200° or so. For more threads regarding coolant temperatures and fans, check out these results from my search. There is also this one I posted last February or March: C4 and C5 Coolant Temperatures...

Hope it helps you. :upthumbs
 
Overview
C4 Corvettes seem to have chronic overheating/run hot problems, especially after about 100,000 miles.

The radiator on a C4 ‘Vette is an aluminum and plastic, single-row unit. It is remarkably small and light, and looking at it, you just know that it can’t possibly be big enough to handle the cooling for a high performance, V8 engine…

The design of this compact radiator is right out of state-of-the-art NASCAR radiator designs: Every single little fin in the radiator is a multi-piece, serrated fin – not a solid fin like on the old “heavy duty 4-row” radiators in our old Musclecars. This makes the ‘Vette radiator highly efficient, and allows the use of a very small radiator.

But this small, efficient design is also extremely sensitive to anything that changes its efficiency. Anything that slightly reduces airflow, or which restricts the frontal surface area, will dramatically reduce its cooling ability, causing your ‘Vette to run hot. You can change the thermostat, flush the cooling system, change your “fan-on” settings, replace your waterpump, and tear your hair out, and your ‘Vette will still run hot if the radiator has this one, eensie, weensie little problem….

The radiator in your C4 is shrouded together with the A/C condenser. The Condenser is in the front (clearly visible from the front, underneath side of the car), and the Radiator is in back. Only the back surface of your radiator is visible or accessible – there is no access, even visually, to the front surface of your radiator. The plenum that is created between the condenser and the radiator is a low-velocity air flow area. This area will become the resting place for every single dead leaf, hot dog wrapper, grass, and hairy varmint that your car has ever made contact with. How all this stuff gets in there is one of those mysteries that nobody can explain. After 100,000-or-so miles, the front surface of your radiator will be packed with grass, leaves, oil, dirt, grime, rodent hair and other things that I have yet to be able to identify. You can blow a garden hose through from the back side, but it will not clear out the front surface of your radiator, and you do not know that it has happened (since you cannot see it).

If you want your 100,000-mile (and often less) ‘Vette to run 20 degrees cooler, you have to pull the radiator and clean all this garbage out of the plenum and out of the front surface of the radiator. This should be a mandatory service process for every high-mileage, hot-running C4.


Tools and Equipment Required
As a minimum, you will need the following tools:

1. Long & short flatbladed screwdrivers. One really small one.
2. 10mm socket with long extensions and a 3/8” drive ratchet
3. 14mm 3/8” drive socket
4. 7mm socket with ¼” drive ratchet and extensions
5. 9/16” Flare Nut (“Lion”) wrench
6. Soft, long-haired, nylon brush
7. Antifreeze
8. Dish Soap or K&N Air Filter Cleaner


Procedure
Pulling the radiator on a C4 is remarkably simple. Nothing at all like the C3 boys have to go through. You can do this in about 15 minutes:

· Drain the radiator. I do this simply by pulling the lower radiator hose off at the radiator.
· Pull the upper radiator hose off at the radiator.
· Remove the overflow hose from the radiator.
· Remove your Mass Airflow Sensor (MAF) with its duct. Be careful disconnecting the electrical connector so as not to damage the wires or the connector.
· Remove your air cleaner and the air cleaner plenum from the top of the radiator shroud. The two plastic hand-nuts that hold the plenum to the shroud will often times not come off. This is because the studs on the back side are spinning. You can keep the studs from spinning by jamming a screwdriver between the plenum and the shroud, up against the studs. To fix this, here is a tech tip I received from “LWesthaver” (Wes) on the CorvetteForum: “Lars, I just faced this problem last week. Since I had never seen the underside of my plenum I didn't know how it was attached to the shroud. Finally, after figuring out how to remove the thing, I started looking for a fix. I ended up drilling a 1/8" hole through the studs’ metal tangs and the shroud. Once the studs were re-installed into the shroud’s key-hole opening, I pop-riveted the tangs to the shroud. No more spinning studs! And it even looks like something the factory might have done.” Great tip, Wes. Thanks!
· Remove the 2 10mm screws that attach the A/C receiver/drier bottle to the frame crossover.
· Remove the 2 10mm screws that attach the A/C receiver/drier bottle to the fan shroud (using your long extensions).
· On some years, you may need to remove 2 10mm screws and loosen a 3rd 10mm screw attaching the Power Steering Reservoir and rotate the reservoir out of the way.
· Remove the rest of the 10mm screws attaching the upper fan shroud to the lower fan shroud.
· Remove the 7mm screws running along the front edge of the upper shroud.
· Remove the upper & lower transmission cooling lines using your flare nut wrench. Place a drain pan under the area to catch the few drips that will be lost (you won’t loose much fluid).
· Remove the bolts attaching the fan assembly to the upper shroud.
· Remove the upper shroud.
· Carefully pull the radiator straight up, taking care not the bump the fin surfaces against the cooling fan assembly or anything else.
· Take a look at all the debris inside the plenum and all the crap on the front surface of your radiator. Be aghast.

The first thing you want to do is to scoop all the garbage out of the plenum. Once you’ve scooped it out with your hands, take a garden hose and blow it out good.

Your radiator needs some care. The fins are EXTREMELY fragile – much more so than on the old type of radiators. First, lay your radiator face down on the ground and blast the big chunks out of it with your garden hose. Now, pick the debris out of it that didn’t get blasted out by the hose.

Next, spray the entire face of the radiator down good with K&N Filter Cleaner, or dilute some dish soap into a spray bottle and douse the radiator down good. The front face is most likely covered in grease, grime, and unidentifiable road dirt. Taking EXTREME care, gently brush the front face of the radiator with your soft nylon brush. DO NOT brush from side to side; brush only up and down (you know – like the dentist told you to brush your teeth when you were a kid). If you brush from side to side, even with your soft brush, you will fold the fins right over. Once you have brushed the cleaner or soapy solution into the front face, removing all of the oily, greasy crap and build-up, blast the entire unit off really good with the garden hose again.

Next, sit down on your front steps with a cooler full of beer beside you, place the radiator on your lap, and straighten every one of the bent, folded-over, damaged fins on both sides of the radiator using a very small, flat bladed screwdriver. If you have a lot of damaged fins, this will take some time, but it’s the only way to get your radiator up to its intended level of efficiency.

Once you have cleaned and repaired your radiator in this manner, install it back in the car by reversing the above steps. Fill it up with new antifreeze, check your transmission fluid level, and enjoy a ‘Vette that will often run as much as 20 degrees cooler than it did before.
 
Jon, unless your real name is Lars Grimsrud, I'd give him credit for the article at least. ;)

_ken :w
 
Ken said:
Jon, unless your real name is Lars Grimsrud, I'd give him credit for the article at least. ;)

_ken :w

:grinsanta
 
That's great, but has no one altered the fan cut in temp? I would like an automatic system, so my wife doesn't have to throw a switch. Also, has anyone used a Flowkooler Mirakool water pump, or is that just not a part of the problem? Thanks for the great responses so far. Very much appreciated!
 
You've already got a lower temperature thermostat installed (although it's a little too cold in my opinion--180°F would suit me a little better), and if your water pump is functioning properly that should be of no concern as long as you radiator is in good shape.

You can get a lower temperature sensor to cause your fans to come on earlier; they're available through any of the major aftermarket suppliers, or you could just shop around for the best deal. There is also a manually controlled switch available for you to take control of when you want the fans on or off.

Does your '86 have the aluminum heads or the cast iron heads? It makes a difference as to where the sensor is located. ;)

When I built my project engine I used a 180°F thermostat, a Flowcooler water pump and a Be Cool radiator. It's a built engine, but I have had no cooling problems since; it runs right around 197°-200°F most of the time, whether in traffic or on the highway.

_ken :w
 
Thanks, Ken. It is an iron-headed automatic, non-California car. Hypertec has a switch that can be had for as low as $43.00, and if there is cheaper, I'm all ears. Since it is has iron heads, does it show hotter than it really is? Tell you what, when that inner fan kicks in, it really cools a lot better. But like you, I'm thinking the Flowkooler Mirakool, due to its incredible performance at idle. Also, since the car is an '86, it is probably time to take out the rad and have it be clean as new.
There is an Ontario supplier that is linked to this website, and he is open tommorow, so I'll give him a shout.
 
If that Hypertech switch is the one that just turns the fan on at a lower temp, it probably won't work on your car. I had one and it's for 85's and 87+ with dual fans - on early 86 it would only turn on the SECOND fan earlier, and the sensor is not where the instructions say it should be. I wound up pulling the sender for the digital gauge because that's located where the fan switch is on other years.

A couple people here (Jeff the Moderator, for one) can burn custom EPROMs that will turn the fans on earlier.

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Finiched the radiator jobb five minutes agao. Was not dificult but it tok the whole day. Amacing wat you find in there. The car must have eten a whole bird.
Next will be cleaning the TB
Max
 
My 84 was running hot before the fan came on. I installed a hypertech thermo chip. That cured the problem and also gave it firmer shifting.
My .02


Dave
 

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