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GREETINGS, currently i am running a Holley 600cfm carb with vacuum secondaries. one of my fellow mousekateers has offered to let me try an Edelbrock 600cfm with vacuum secondaries . i am curious what my friends here think of the edelbrock . will i see a noticable improvement? give it to me straight,i wanna hear it!!

Robin
 
Robin,

I do not believe you will notice anything different unless your Holley has something wrong with it. This next statement is just me. I prefer HOLLEY, but I that is what I'm use to. I used a Holley 650 with a good aftermarket air cleaner on one of my 78 with a 350. It worked very well and a noticed a 500 RPM increase on the top end over the old Q-jet and stock air cleaner.

If you are looking for a little more from your 600; I'd go up one or two steps on the secondary jets or metering plate, Which ever you have.

Gary
 
Robin,
pros and cons to both carbs. Holley is easy to tune as well as Edelbrock. Holley is more geared to the track, Edel for trucks. Holley falls out of adjustment, Edel doesn't. both can leak like crazy, Holley more prone. parts are everywhere for Holley. about the same price. Holley better in corners, Edel in straight line (float bowl design). pick the one with the least cons for your application. it may even be a propperly set-up Q-jet. Brian
 
BRian,haven't seen you post in awhile.finally home and/or thawing out? i appreciate your prros/cons. i am going to try the edel,since i can try it for free.then buy if i like the performance.
i would like to use a Q-jet. my edelbrock isn't the type to accept the Q .also the cost of most decent Q-jets have skyrocketed now that the resto market has grown.

best to you..missed your thoughtful comments

Robin
 
Just to make it MORE fun....

Edelbrock also makes new "Q-jets"! :)

All these designs have strengths and weaknesses. More importantly, all have improved versions from the original. Holley itself has several upgraded versions as does Barry Grant. Edelbock, a slightly upgraded Carter AFB (which Edlebrock owns and ALSO makes new versions of), has finally come out with the AVS, which has adjustable secondaries.

I use Edlebrocks on nearly everything because they really require virtually no adjustment to work right out of the box. They are also much, much easier to fully set up without removing from the vehicle, dumping gas everywhere. AFB's are also super easy to completely rebuild.

Since they are not actually truly vacuum OR mechanically operated, but more are flow sensed through a weighted door on the venturi, they are far, far more tolerant of overcarburetion than the holley design. I have 750's on this mild 350, on a 318 Mopar and an a Caddy 501 - all function fine, which would not likely be the case with a Holley.

They virtually never leak fuel like Holleys can because the fuel is not contained in bolted on and gasketted side mounted fuel bowls. They do seem to be more likely to leak air though than Holleys, but this is subjective - I can't be CERTAIN of it,but I seem to have to take extra care to use new gaskets with no defects, etc.

AFB designs are also virtually unaffected by backfires which even a single one of can destroy and old Holley power valve. All the newer Holley designs have corrected this problem though, and parts can be put on original ones, so this is not that important.

Holleys seem to work better in turns and are less sensitve to fuel dirt and variances in fuel pressure than AFB's. They also seem more capable of being EXACTLY tuned to a particular set up and to work perfectly over the whole load and RPM range. Parts for Holleys are also super available. AFB parts you generally get from a catalog, but all the catalogs carry them. That means less to me as I am getting fed up with the "air refreshner, alternator and cheap blinger "accessory" type parts "houses" that seem so prevalent now.

All these designs work fine though, which the EFI boys and girls will always claim never can happen, since they've never DRIVEN a carbbed car. Be aware of used carbs of any make that may have subtle warpings of castings or throttle shafts. If you have lots of problems that old "good deal" carb could be at fault, not the design used.
 
WAYNE, thank you for that well-thought opinion. i agree with your points which is why i wanted to try the EDEL . also ,many have said a 750 is too much carb but i see some people have them working just fine.
when i bought my car it had an AES 850cfm carb atop a Edelbrock Streemaster open plenum intake.wouldn't idle and slow speeds really stunk(mostly fumes),but spool the motor up and it got sacry when the secondaries kicked in.
i have been detuning the motor over the last year to find baselines .now progressively i am stepping the equiptment up. i don't expect to be the fastest on my block,there will always be someone with a bigger bank account.
one point you mentioned about the cornering characteristics between the carbs does have me wondering. i am not planning on road-racing but eventually i would like to autocross occasionally. do you feel the EDEL will allow that kind of thrashing ? maybe i should keep the holley tuned and on the shelf....
thank you again...to all that contributed.

Robi
 
in my experience the holleys are more responsive to off idle acceleration but lack the economy the edelbrocks offer. i use both for various reasons, if i'm going to race a car i prefer holleys but if i'm just cruising around then the edelbrock is my choice.
 
Danny, thanks! i guess i should keep both. and some extra gaskets...



Robin
 
Keep in mind both the OE & Edelbrock spreadbore Qjets are rated at about 750 cfm. Both OE & Edelbrock Qjet (19XX series) have smaller primaries and larger secondaries than typical squarebore 600/650/700/750 afb (edelbrock 14XX series) or holley. The Qjets have large disparity between primary & secondary diameters; their small primaries provide exceptionally snappy throttle response in traffic ... plus a distinctive, plaintive moan when their big secondaries kick in.
JACK:gap
 
Jack said:
Keep in mind both the OE & Edelbrock spreadbore Qjets are rated at about 750 cfm. Both OE & Edelbrock Qjet (19XX series) have smaller primaries and larger secondaries than typical squarebore 600/650/700/750 afb (edelbrock 14XX series) or holley. The Qjets have large disparity between primary & secondary diameters; their small primaries provide exceptionally snappy throttle response in traffic ... plus a distinctive, plaintive moan when their big secondaries kick in.
JACK:gap
jack
have you any experience with the proform throttle bodies, as i am thinking of fitting one to a new 650 double pumper. i know they dont have a choke but this is no concern.ernie
 
sorry no Proform throttle body experience

ernbuild said:
jack
have you any experience with the proform throttle bodies, as i am thinking of fitting one to a new 650 double pumper. i know they dont have a choke but this is no concern.ernie
Sorry Ernie ... no exp w/ proform holley bodies. I do have a coupla "harmonic balancer install tools" ... one is made in USA by BHJ and is a super piece ... the other is of asian origin marketed by Proform brand ... it works oK but compared to the BHJ, the Proform is a POS.

Our 355sbc circle tracker has a 2 barrel holley (2300 series) ... rules require it ... our choke horn has been removed ... and the boosters have been raised as much as can be within specs ... but rules require that we MUST run genuine holley body. Dunno how important that Proform body really is ... consider that our Holley #7448 350 cfm 2 barrel feeds our 355 sbc through "regulation" edelbrock 2101 performer atop milled 441 "regulation" iron heads (1.94"/1.50" valves) on ultralite flat top ross pistons . Solid lifter cam with extremely steep ramp meets max valve lift rule of .480". Requires race gas but this motor dynoes right at 360 HP at 6200 rpm ... with a 2 barrel. Our throttle body is genuine holley but it has been extensively tweeked; but the casting rings are still there in the venturis as required by rules.
JACK:gap
 
Ernie,
the Pro -forms are alright, just an expensive answer to a complete Barry Grant. they will give you better performance than a stock Holley, but fall short of a BG. basically, the performance lies half way between the stock Holley and the BG Race Demon. the Demon benefits from smaller anular drippers, so the effective cross section area of the venturi is bigger in a smaller body. this is why Demons outflow Holley. plus the entrance radius is something to considder. the Holey is more progressive, making it more suited to top down air intake while the BG is more for traditional air cleaners. all this info is dated a couple years, but i am pretty sure it is still valid today, best of luck, Brian.
 
Q-jet.......dead Nuts

Hi guys!!! quick story:I bought a replacement(direct replacment drop in carb) from HOLLEY,FOR MY 80 vette 4-SPEED,WELL NEEDLESS TO SAY IT WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO DIRECT REPLACMENT;if i wanted it to fit,it needed some mods,for the price,i didn't want mods, So I took it back got the Q-JET and in 1-hour it was on the car and running perfect;I mean DEAD NUTS OUT OF THE BOX.Could not be more happy with the difference in the performance in the VETTE. I MEAN ON A SCALE FROM 1-10 IT'S A 11 no kidden.......shady80 :beer
 
HELLO ALL,here's the update. so far with the edelbrock 600cfm the car idles better,still has a rumble and shake to it.so i guess i'll have to go to a stall converter for that issue
i don't see a big difference with the power,i am using a butt dynomometer.however, i do notice the secondaries are working and sounding different. next i will address some ignition upgrades. and if i can find or trade i am going to try a 750 edelbrock or even a Q-jet.

fun with old cars

robin
 

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