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Black Ice said:
Frankly Rob I don't care what your likes and dislikes are about Corvette. The Corvette is about passion no matter if that passion is directed at preformance or style or its GREAT 50 year Chevrolet heritage. The car Autoweek is showing is the car you are going to get. What's being spoken here is the truth about C6 like it or not.

Yep, and there's a difference between truth and a difference between opinion. And opinions are like ***holes. Everyone's got one.

If you don't like the Corvette, sell it and stop whining. If you don't like the C6, don't buy it and go buy an older one. Nobody is twisting your arm.

In all honesty, 90% of the time, you are so negative on the Corvette and the C6, it kind of surprises me. Your opinion is just that....your opinion and you're most definitely entitled to it. However, your opinion, which is usually always slanted towards being negative, tends to influence others and that's not being fair to everyone else.

The car has not gone into production. Yes, I'm sure you've seen it, but rather than taint everyone else's impression of it before they've even had a chance to see it, don't you think that rather than being negative and critical about it based upon your own opinion, you might want to just consider putting a leash on some of your negativity and give others a chance to draw their own conclusions??

Last but not least, I hope that the Corvette pictured in AutoWeek is not going to be what I get. I don't need all the camoflage. :booty
 
Rob said:
Yep, and there's a difference between truth and a difference between opinion. And opinions are like ***holes. Everyone's got one.

If you don't like the Corvette, sell it and stop whining. If you don't like the C6, don't buy it and go buy an older one. Nobody is twisting your arm.

In all honesty, 90% of the time, you are so negative on the Corvette and the C6, it kind of surprises me. Your opinion is just that....your opinion and you're most definitely entitled to it. However, your opinion, which is usually always slanted towards being negative, tends to influence others and that's not being fair to everyone else.

The car has not gone into production. Yes, I'm sure you've seen it, but rather than taint everyone else's impression of it before they've even had a chance to see it, don't you think that rather than being negative and critical about it based upon your own opinion, you might want to just consider putting a leash on some of your negativity and give others a chance to draw their own conclusions??
Wow. Deja vous. :eek :eek
 
Rob said:
In what way??
I have seen Black Ice irritate moderators on another forum and get banned for it. He does post a lot of good information about the C6 and I would like to him to continue posting. :CAC
 
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding a lot of the negativity I'm seeing here based upon a bunch of spy shots of a camoflaged prototype.

I tend to be the type of person who draws my final conclusions when the proof is in the pudding and there's a bowl of pudding on the table in front of me.

The same holds true for a sports car.

Yes, the Corvette is about passion. It always has been, and I'm confident, it always will be. When some sports cars hit production and finally get some press complete with photos that are not covered in vinyl mockup and bumper covers, they still appear to be butt-ugly. UNTIL, I actually see the car sitting in front of me in the flesh (or metal/plastic - whatever the case may be)

The perfect example was the Ferrari 360 Modena. I absolutely LOVE the F355. It is one of the most beautiful Ferraris ever produced. When I first saw the 360 Modena break press, I wanted to lurch. Then I had a chance to actually see a few in person. I even had the chance to race down the local highway in front of one last year.

I just saw a red F355 parked in a local gym parking lot yesterday. The car still yanks on my heart-strings, but NOT like the 360 Modena does. Now that I've seen the Modena in person, for me, it has come a LONG way from the days when I saw it in the magazine. Even now, magazine pictures don't do that car justice.

Another example is the Lamborghini Murcielago. I absolutely love the Diablo and think it is one of the sexiest and most classy looking sports cars ever built. When the Murcielago broke press in the magazines, I wanted to barf. There was not one single characteristic of that car that I found appealing.

Last year, I was at a Golds Gym in Ft. Lauderdale and walked out at the end of my workout to see a bright Yellow Murcielago parked next to a navy blue metallic Diablo. I had a chance to walk around each car, side by side and examine both.

The Murcielago is much better in person and again, pictures in magazines, don't do it justice. However, it still doesn't do a whole lot for me unlike the Diablo. The Diablo just takes my breath away. It may be a bear to drive compared to the Murcielago, but from an artistic/design perspective, it is still one hell of a stunning automobile.

I wasn't crazy about the C5 when it first came out. My first impression was - "is it an RX7 or an Acura NSX on steroids"? The more I saw it in person, the more it grew on me. It grew on me to the point that now, I find most C4s kind of boring.

All I'm trying to say here is, before you slam the C6 based upon what someone has told you they've seen and based upon some camoflaged spy shots in a magazine, give the damn car a chance before you abort it and call it a "Cadillac under Corvette clothing".

If I'm not mistaken, the blue flame 6 cylinder engine that debuted on the 1953 Corvette was a slightly modified version from the Chevy Sedan parts bin. Older generation chassis used components from other GM platforms. Hell, some of the chassis/powertrain combinations that Corvette engineers used on Corvette prototypes came from Oldsmobile Toronados. Those mongrel-based parts started 50 years of one of the greatest sports car marques to ever exist.

You see the same thing with Jaguar using some Ford parts, Lamborghini using some Audi parts, etc. As long as the parts used do not pale or eclipse the intended definition or soul of that car, who cares!?

Honestly, it bothers me more to know that the door handles on a C5 came from the Oldsmobile Aurora than it does to know that the Corvette C6 chassis may or may not be that of a Cadillac. Why? Because I can see that door handle every day. It visually influences me and makes me think of an Oldsmobile. When I walk up to a C6, as long as it visually tugs at my heart strings like the current C5 does now, and it performs as well and hopefully better than the C5 does now, I don't care if the styling is not revolutionary and/or the chassis consists of Cadillac components.

I will wait to see the car sitting in front of me, in final production trim, and give it a chance before I pass final judgement on it. All I'm saying is, consider doing the same before you quickly write it off.
 
blocker44 said:
I have seen Black Ice irritate moderators on another forum and get banned for it. He does post a lot of good information about the C6 and I would like to him to continue posting. :CAC

I have no intention of banning him and I see no reason to prevent him from posting. What he has done on other forums and how his actions (posting) were handled on other forums is irrelevant to me.

He has had the benefit of seeing the car in person due to whatever his career allows him to see. That is an ability that few, if any of us will ever have the chance to experience. He is entitled to his opinion, and in my opinion, he should try and take into consideration that because of his special benefit of seeing the car in person or whatever level of access he has/had, he has the ability to influence the public - anyone who reads his posts.

In a lot of ways, that is not fair to the other members, and it's not fair to the people in the Corvette Development group who have busted their ass for God only knows how long, in developing and engineering this car.

Like I've said here time and time again, state the facts. If you've seen the car, great. Share with us what you've seen. If you're not crazy about it, fine let everyone know you're not crazy about it, but just don't harp on it over and over and over again.

In essence, due to his access to the Bowling Green plant, he has a podium here and like most other speakers who are standing at a podium speaking in front of a huge crowd, that speaker has the ability to influence the masses, either negatively or positively.

Take that into consideration - that's all I'm saying.
 
Who is Slamming C6? I said it was an attractive improved car. ??????????? CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS CRAP?
 
Black Ice said:
Who is Slamming C6? I said it was an attractive improved car. ???????????
Ok....fine, let's move on then....:duh
 
SORRY BABE your on my S*** list now!
Remember Im the one that tells it like it is! Your site is now on its own for C6 inside information! :puke
 
Black Ice said:
SORRY BABE your on my S*** list now!
Remember Im the one that tells it like it is! Your site is now on its own for C6 inside information!
Whatever....it's not the first ****-list I've been on and on that note I'm going to bed. Good night. :)
 
I don't know what has happened here.

Black Ice has done nothing but compliment the C6! Time and time again! He has never said a thing negative about it!

In his post C5 vs C6, all he did was talk about how GREAT it was that Cadillac quality is going to be in the Corvette blood now!

He has told everyone "You will like the C6."

Remember his first post? "I likie likie the C6!"

Rob, you got the complete wrong impression here, and I am not sure how.

You need to read the C5 vs C6 post.



Brett
 
Unless somebody already mentioned it - there's much less overhang in the rear..
 
Also. The front fascia will be different when all is said and done. Either that or you wont be able to drive a C6 in New York without a front plate...
 
I agree that the thread is starting to get depressing, but I think it is a percursor of comments to come unless the real C6 looks radically different (not just the nips and tucks I am reading here) from the Autoweek and other photos under discussion. If anyone on this Forum has connections with GM representatives in any position to influence design I would strongly suggest that you contact them and ask that they take a few minutes and simply read this and several other threads concerning the reaction to the C6.

--Chris Kennedy
 
Well, pix are nice....I really look forward to advance 'real' photos, and the artists' conceptions also trigger the imagination. That's what I went through for the C5, and more recently with the advance pix prior to the Z06 launch....and I had delivery of the Z in August 2000 (VIN...04621). I ordered the Z long before the famous Texas newspaper photos were released.

If the C6 pix and some conceptual renderings end up like the real thing, so be it....in any case, if your a true Corvette nut, and an old fart to boot like me, that's why I've had a C6 on order for well over a year.

Keep waving......
 
Brett said:
I don't know what has happened here.

Black Ice has done nothing but compliment the C6! Time and time again! He has never said a thing negative about it!

In his post C5 vs C6, all he did was talk about how GREAT it was that Cadillac quality is going to be in the Corvette blood now!

He has told everyone "You will like the C6."

Remember his first post? "I likie likie the C6!"

Rob, you got the complete wrong impression here, and I am not sure how.

You need to read the C5 vs C6 post.



Brett

Well, this is sad. BI has been a great source of C6 information. I hate to see him go. differences of openion are what keep these conversations interesting. However, this is Rob's site and he certainly has the right to his openion too. It is regretable if BI is so offended by Rob's openion that he leaves.

Brett, you're right about BI talking up the quality improvements due to the Cadillac envolvement and saying several times that the C6 is an improvement and we will all like it. But, at one point he has also implied that the Cadillac team took over the chassis development / ownership and it's not a Chevy any more. His multiple references to the C6 as "Corvmaro", or something similar may have ticked off Rob a bit and may have helped feed some the negative comments on this thread.

To me, most of the negative comments are comming from people who...
1. ... are taking the AutoWeek and / or Jujubee photoshop as gospell, and slamming the C6. Guys and ladies, THESE GUESSES ARE BOTH WRONG - LOOK AT THE FRONT OVERHANG!!!
2. ... have not taken the trouble to download the spy shots, lighten the contrast and play with them - look past the cammo and LIMIT YOUR CONCLUSIONS. These shots only tell us tidbits.

Finally, the Corvette IS about passion. Both BI and Rob are obviously passionate about Corvette. I hope BI decides to continue to contribute his passion.
 
This was a general comment I made to everyone - not just Black Ice:
This thread is starting to sound depressing and I'm sorry to say, but I don't agree with the path it's taking.

Personally, I don't care if the Corvette shares components with the Cadillac XLR or not. I don't care if the chassis was heavily modified for a Cadillac or not. I don't care if, in theory, the chassis and suspension is that of a Cadillac or not.

As long as the damn car looks like nothing else on the road, sucks my eyeballs into the back of my skull, feels like it's on rails pulling 1.0G on a skidpad, and actually has a chance now, or in the very near future, of shoving some dirt down the throat of Dodge's Viper, I could care less if the chassis is from a caboose.

In my opinion, some of you are being unfairly harsh here and the the car is still a year to a year and half away from production.

Give it a chance before you start writing it off as an abortion. Geez....

Black Ice's response:
Frankly Rob I don't care what your likes and dislikes are about Corvette....

That was the first thing that ticked me off. Second from Black Ice:

I just cant take these forums anymore and the people who run them....

You boys crack me up. I tried to help this guy, for once this Forum has come alive with activity and was getting fun. Oh well Im just way to mad to deal with him.

1. I didn't ask for the help.

2. "way to mad to deal with him"....'scuse me?

The pompousity pedestal has gotten way too high.
 
You cats have way too much time on your hands to turn this thing into something personal.:argue BI has never slammed the car and Rob is right it's still too far off to really form any true feelings about the car so let's keep chopping it up enjoy life and remember the waiting is the hardest part.:bar
 
seems so.

However, when someone says they don't care about somebody else's opinion on an open forum it's hard to ignore it and let it go.

Like talking to someone face-to-face, clicking that submit button on forums, send on email, and lots of other places on the internet should be proceeded with some thought about what you just wrote before you do it.

I'm not asking for political correctness - just a little sanity.

Maybe my copy of Autoweek will come in today - I wish Autoweek would hold off on updating their web site with the latest issue until after their subscribers actually got a chance to see if first.
 
Yea but like I said I tell it like it is. Im not interested in any ones opinion, just telling the C6 facts as they are. I would think thats how you would want them not tainted by others opnions. This is my LAST post here!
 
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