Interior/exterior?

[ChuckG]

The NCRS Tech Manuals and Judging Guides are just that....Judging Guides. I've been involved on several occasions with the rewrites of the 63-4 Manual, the 68-9 Manual, and the 53-55 Manual. Frankly there's just TOO much information to put everything in any one manual. If you tried, they would look like hard bound books.

The ECL code info is available in Noland's book and now in Al Grennig's book. Judges and owners of those years become knowledgeable about the codes that apply to their areas of interest.

Many have asked questions in the past such as why aren't ALL bolt head markings for every application listed, etc.

You could write an entire book on the 67 and it probably still wouldn't contain all the info available. SO....you've got to be your own "judge" and use many sources, the NCRS TM and JG's as one reference. Chuck

 

[JohnZ]

Since you both have your books open. Please turn to 1967 Coupe with 976AA Marina Blue Paint what is the AA for on this year?

All '67 Corvette trim tag paint code numbers carried the "AA" suffix; it had to do with the finance and releasing systems. I'm part of the 1967 Judging Guide team; as Chuck said, if all the gory detail was in the JG, you'd need handles to carry it

 

[Elusive 67]

That's fine. I understand the matrix of information would be quite difficult to compile for each combination of every year and model. Maybe in a future rewrite of the TIM & JG, NCRS could at least reference sources they deem true and correct. They could put in a source reference bibliography which we could then read on our own.

ChuckG makes reference to Noland's as well as Grenning's book. Since I'm so new, I suspect these are famous names in the hobby that I am unaware of but unless NCRS states that they have reviewed the book or adopted the information as part of their 'required reading' list, I would be suspect of their book's information. I'm hearing too much conflicting information about what is proper or not on on certain Corvettes. It sort of like going to an unaccredited college for a degree in law. Unless the Bar accepts your coursework, your just wasting your money and time.

Something to chew on for later. Thanks for the education on ECL's though.
-Dave

Edit: I did a search on Amazon and Google for Noland Adams and found out who he and Al Grenning are--enough said about that. I also found out the guy who restored our Corvette 12 years ago, Richard Prince, is also an author of several Corvette buyer's guides. Small world.

 

[JohnZ]

That's fine. I understand the matrix of information would be quite difficult to compile for each combination of every year and model. Maybe in a future rewrite of the TIM & JG, NCRS could at least reference sources they deem true and correct. They could put in a source reference bibliography which we could then read on our own.

The information we compile for use in the NCRS TMI&JG's comes almost exclusively from eyeball observations of known-original cars, combined with over 30 years of NCRS member research and judging experience. That's why NCRS "Bowtie" cars are so important as educational tools in determining how the cars were originally configured and what the original parts really looked like. What's deemed correct is published in the TMI&JG's for each year Corvette; NCRS doesn't endorse any outside publications as being "correct", although many are recommended (and sold by the NCRS Store) as useful reference material for the hobby.

 

[ChuckG]

Noland Adams' books are considered to be the "bibles" of Corvette resto. He has 2 of them, 53-62, and 63-67. You just MUST buy that book.


Al Grenning's book is recently published, co-authored by Roy Sinor, National Judging Chairman of NCRS. You gotta buy that one too.

Chuck

 

[61 Silver]

63 SWC Body

What are the keys to identify where the body for a 63 was built?

Thanks! Ray

 

[Elusive 67]

I found the Al Grenning book on the NCRS site after a google search. It appears to a be a great source.

I'm going broke buying all these books for the '67 the last few weeks. I bought the TIM&JG, The Judging Reference manual, and the Chassis Service manual. I also have the Vette Vues Fact Book by Dobbins, and the 1989 first edition, first printing of the NCRS 1953-1972 Corvette Specifications Guide. My wife is beginning to wonder about me.

I know what you guys are up to.....you're trying to lure me into the Dark Side. I will not create an emotional attachment to this car....I just need to stop cleaning it and calling it My Precious!

 

[ChuckG]

All 63's were St. Louis built. AO Smith didn't start building bodies till mid 64....January as I recall. From that point on, there were 2 body build sources. Chuck

 

[61 Silver]

63 SWC Body

Chuck G.

That is what I thought. I was reading Noland Adams 63-67 book the other evening and thought I read where some bodies were produced by Dow Corning (A O Smith) for the 63 production. I just re-read the section and you are correct. Mid 64 production.

Thanks Ray

 

[ChuckG]

You'll hear TONS of conflicting information, from LOTS of people, some informed, some uninformed. My best advice is to do NOTHING to the car based on the opinion/opinions of one individual. Do your own homework. Don't act hastily. Enjoy your car, and enjoy learning about it.

Some good intentioned individual might say: "that's the wrong alternator, my 67 has a XXYZ alternator, your's is wrong". You might find out later that by a later 67 serial number, your SUPPOSEDLY incorrect alternator is CORRECT for your particular build date. Do your own homework. Chuck