Project Anti-Ken-A Very Low Budget 350 build

[Ken]

All at about a tenth of the cost of mine.

 

[Tom Bryant]

All at about a tenth of the cost of mine.

It should move the old stepside along pretty well but mine won't do what yours will. :eek

 

[Jack]

DONE. $1249.91Attached is the complete summary of the build for your viewing pleasure.

Tom:
Sounds good! I looked at your summary ... wondering if crank or rods needed any machinework?... and if so, was it priced into the shortblock subtotal?
JACK:gap

 

[Tom Bryant]

Jack,

I miked the crank journals and they were as round as they could be and not tapered so I just polished them myself. See post #100 in this thread. I also miked the rods and they too were as round as they could be so I had to ask myself what would I gain by having them resized? I decided to save some money. I also put the new bearings in the rods and torqued them to check the clearance by inside miking the torqued bearings and outside miking the rod journal they will go on. All checked out perfectly.

Tom

 

[Jack]

Tom:
Hey, if they're round ... they're round. Glad it worked out that way. I think you're really gonna be happy with your combo. Good Job!
JACK:gap

 

[Tom Bryant]

Speaking of combos, I have a short water pump and pulleys but it looks like everything I have for the P/S is for a long pump. I have 2 pumps and a few different brackets. I'm going to have to dump out all of the boxes and clean out the cab just to see what I have. A trip to th ejunk yard may be in my future. Speaking of that I need to find that alternator bracket again. :L

 

[Jack]

Tom:

I have an aluminum race car ps pump bracket for short wp. PS pump bracket bolts to front of driver side sbc head ... this uses ONLY a bare pump (saginaw) w/ remote tank. Can use with any wp ... flat washers under bracket move it out for long wp. I swapped ours for block mount. I'm not gonna use the spare.



Spare bracket is the one on right

http://207.89.146.11/sweetmfg2003/update_images/301-30030.jpg



Bracket is for this kind of pump

http://207.89.146.11/sweetmfg2003/update_images/301-30010.jpg

JACK:gap

 

[bossvette]

I've got a milkbox or two of brackets and pulleys also

 

[Tom Bryant]

Jack,

One that I have is a flat steel bracket out of the '70s someplace, It sets the pump too far forward and bolts to the back of the pump. Does yours bolt to the front? Also can you run a stock p/s pump with a remote reservoir? I've had them apart before but it's been years ago. I have been thinking about a custom aluminum reservoir for the radiator so a matching one for the p/s would be cool.

The stock brack for a short pump has a cradle type mount with an additional rear brace. I'm goin to dig through everything I have tomorrow and see what I have. I may need to dig through Craigs box-O-brackets too.

 

[Jack]

Jack,Does yours bolt to the front?

My bracket sandwiches between back of bare pump and front of driver side head ... bracket bolts to head's accessory bracket holes with countersinks & pump is through-bolted into bracket.

Jack,Also can you run a stock p/s pump with a remote reservoir?

Yes ... you either get a race pump (such as Sweet) or take a newer (smaller) style pump & toss OE tank & plumb it for AN fittings & swap serp pulley for V. The Sweet pump at link above is the newer smaller OE pump. The pump like what's in your later C3 vette is the older larger pump and will NOT bolt up to my race bracket ... even if reservoir removed it will not bolt up ... must use later smaller pump. I dunno what year they started but plenty in junkyards ... I think my 89 Ciera had late small pump ... saw one on 93 caddy last week ... AFAIK all had plastic tanks & serpentine pulleys.

FYI ... New race ps pump tanks are $25 - $60 ... would look cool alongside similar rad overflow tank. New AN ps hoses & fittings another $50 - $80. My bracket no charge. Most run AN8 or AN10 tank-to-pump and rest are AN6.

BTW ... Speedway Motors P/N 913-32902 is a flat steel bracket that bolts to back of larger older pump's TANK ... then bolts to driver side sbc BLOCK ... for short wp only ... $25.
JACK:gap

 

[JohnZ]

When I built my Grand Sport, I couldn't use the production power steering pump and mounting, as the pulley would interfere with the jointed Borgeson steering shaft to my Appleton power rack & pinion. I used a GM mini-pump from an S-10 truck, mounted on the Moroso sprint-car adapter plate, directly to the front of the left cylinder head, with a Speedway Motors remote reservoir and Aeroquip lines and fittings. Pics are a bit grainy - they're scans of old prints - here's the accessory drive as I was developing it:

Here's the finished installation in the car - the remote reservoir is on the far side inner fender:

 

[Tom Bryant]

That's a slick setup. But of course the whole car is just amazing.

 

[Tom Bryant]

I'm getting more confused by the second. Maybe I should heed my own advice. A while ago I advised one of the guys on my truck forum to go to the boneyard and get all of the pulleys and brackets off of the same truck so everything will line up.

Anyway, I was looking at the Speedway bracket in their catalog and the inset picture with the bracket mounted on the pump looks like my pump. The bracket I have in the attached photo mounts to the pump in the same manner and to the block in the same '57 Chevy motor mount holes. I don't know if you can see it in the pic but mine has a slight rear offset that actually mounts the pump slightly closer to the block. This puts the rear groove of the pulley 1/2 groove width to far forward to line up with the crank and water pump. I have another pump with a single groove pulley and with it mounted on the same bracket it is a whole groove out to far. Maybe the problem is the pulley offset.

 

[Jack]

I have another pump with a single groove pulley and with it mounted on the same bracket it is a whole groove out to far. Maybe the problem is the pulley offset.

I think you're onto it Tom. Maybe if you use a double groove crank pulley ... & use the forward groove to drive the psp ... maybe you'd have it licked. John's right, as my 97 Sonoma (S10) has the same small psp we're referring to ... same type bracket setup as my spare I offer. Oh yea!, John's GS setup sure looks sweet ... lotsa supertrucks around here run Appleton rack too ... very stout piece.
JACK:gap

 

[JohnZ]

I had to have the 3-groove water pump pulley custom-made (see upper pic that shows the accessory drive from the front) for the power steering pump drive; needed one diameter for the two A/C compressor and alternator belt grooves, and a smaller-diameter drive for the P/S pump. I designed the pulley I needed and Speed & Performance in Mena, Arkansas made it for me from my drawing.

 

[Tom Bryant]

I have a double groove crank pulley on it. Some of these era cars had an additional pulley that went inside the double groove crank pulley to give it a 3rd groove. Maybe that's what I need. We'll see what's in Craigs box of brackets. He might have the magic combo in there.

I'd sure like to have a drive setup like Johns. It probably costs as much as I have in the rest of the engine. :L

Tom

 

[Tom Bryant]

The saga continues. :L

I found a box of pulleys in the bed and after having several different combos on the engine I decided that the ones I originally had on were right and the p/s mount is for a long pump. All I need is a p/s mount for a short water pump and I'm in. I love fall. It's the perfect time to go junk yarding except for the wasp nests.

 

[Tom Bryant]

Tonight I resprayed the front frame and suspension parts John Deere Blitz Black. I love it. The gloss that was on the rough surface of the frame rails looked tacky but the low gloss looks like factory. I'll take a picture tomorrow.

Now I'm ready to put in the new brake lines when they arrive from Harmon's. As per JohnZ's advice I went with the mild steel instead of the stainless. A shiney line is not worth the risk of a crack in the flare.

I have a new front pump seal for the THM400 so it won't be long before the engine goes in the frame.

Tom

 

[Tom Bryant]

I got the P/S mount figured out. It was rather easy once I looked under the hood of the '81 Corvette. I simply bought a repro p/s mount from Zip and a '81 pulley from GMPD and that was that. The '81 uses a short water pump. Now everything will line up with 2 belts running right where they are supposed to.

Since the engine is basically done and that was the purpose of this thread I'm going to close this thread and leave a link the the Old Yeller Truck thread where the saga of getting this truck up and running continues.

Click here to go to the truck thread--------->X

Thanks everyone for your interest.

Tom