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I have been enjoying my new C6 over the holidays.

I put about 1500 miles on it just tooling up out of Florida into Georgia and Alabama for some rest and relaxation from the Miami life. Nice up there!

On my way back, while traveling I-10 coming into Tallahassee (one of the few times I hit an interstate during this trip), I suddenly heard a loud cyclic clicking noise, and knew I had picked up something in the tire or wheel area. I slowed down, and pushed the DIC over to monitor pressures - all at nominal, no messages. Since I was crossing a long bridge with lots of following traffic and no workable shoulder, I reduced speed to 50, turned on the hazard flashers, and looked for a chance to safely pull over with enough shoulder -- about 1/8th mile ahead.

Once stopped, as I sat with motor idling, I checked the DIC again, and all four pressures still indicated 34 psi. Finally, just as I am ready to turn off motor, the message pops up: low pressure alert, left rear tire flat, speed reduced to 55 MPH. After a quick roadside inspection, I could not see what caused the flat.

I used my cell to try to locate nearest Goodyear dealer. The Goodyear EMT warranty brochure gives an 800 number, but it is automated and expects you to enter your phone number.Since I don't live in Tallahassee, no help there, and no way to get a live voice to help me through Goodyear! I then called the 1800 Chev roadside number, explained I didn't need assistance except to find a local tire dealer who can fix me up. She gave me two Goodyear numbers. I called both, only one had the right equipment.

I reset the odometer to record total miles driven on flat, and it took 14.7 miles to get there, at 20-50 MPH. I guess it's nice to be able to move, but it is a squirmy, unsettling ride when flat, even at 30-40 MPH!

The Goodyear guy told me the hole was too large to patch (I agreed - big, big nail hole), and so he needed to get a tire - about an hour estimated. Long story short, once the guy found out this is fully covered (treadwear and age were within parameters), he gave me a HUGE hassle and a bunch of grief about how he didn't have to honor the warrranty, and Goodyear always puts the screws to him, and his store is really an independent business...


I just wanted to get the car fixed, but I explained that I was on the road, far from home, that I was not trying to get anything other than what was promised in writing, and that he could bill me if needed, and I would pursue with Goodyear... The tire arrived from a local warehouse about 1/2 hour after I got to his store.

To make a long story shorter, after FIVE HOURS (11:30 AM until 4:40 PM) of sitting on my butt, with the new tire and my wheel just sitting there, I finally got back in the saddle. I could have sworn I heard him tell the ONE tech that was actually working, 'he gets out at closing'. And, sure enough, I was the last car out, even though other jobs were clearly non-emergency and did not have anyone waiting for on them, or even picking up that day.


The moral of the story is that in the old days, I would have changed the tire myself roadside, and not shot a whole holiday travel day waiting for someone to burn out his unfocused anger on me. I do NOT like dependence on these tires. They take special equipment to mount. The warranty is going to only last a couple thousand miles until proration begins and YOU have to pay mount, balance, etc., whenever something happens.

If you get a flat in the boonies (which is where I spent most of my trip) you might be able to still move, but getting a repair or a new tire could be dicey. It's a shame they could not have engineered in a donut mounted under the trunk (at least as an option for us old-timers, since I know people are weight crazy about the 'vette).

We could have then had cheaper, better, lighter tires, that would have ofset any added weight the spare adds, IMHO.
 
mel 2001 said:
Can you report to the BBB.
Sure, I could, but heck, I am not going through Tallahassee again that I know of, and it looks like he likes his locals just fine --- just not us fancy-pants 'vette pilots from outta town, I suppose <laugh>.

My post was not meant to point out the dealer's attitude/actions, but really, more of a "think about what you need before you hit the road" for all the rest of us C6 owners.

For instance, thank goodness I had my [charged] cell phone, the EMT warranty guide, the number to Roadside assist, etc.

I would also go ahead and call around Goodyear your own area, to see who can and cannot service these guys, since for most, you are more likely to need service in your own backyard than out on the road somewhere.

I also am thinking about storing my own plug kit w/compressor in the rear compartment just to give me that option if I feel it is best for the circumstance. Remember, if you drive these flat, they degrade, so it is likely that if you go any appreciable distance without pressure, the tire may not be salvagable.

Just trying to share my experiences so all can consider.

:beer
 
self1 said:
I also am thinking about storing my own plug kit w/compressor in the rear compartment just to give me that option if I feel it is best for the circumstance.

:beer

I'm new to run flats. Do you do a temporary plug job on them the same way as any other tubeless tire?

FWIW, the plugs in kits I've had in the past have dried out after a few years. It would be a good idea to keep fersh plugs in a repair kit.
 
Het guys!

I just bought a set of run flats for the rear of my '99 from a friend, who owns a car repair shop, to save a few bucks. He told me after I bought them that he can't mount them and that you need a special machine and be certified. I called several tire dealers in my area and found one about 20 miles away who can do it. The tires do seem to be a hassle finding someone who can mount them and not to mention the extremely high cost to purchase them. I almost bought a set of non run flats at half the price but thought about if I were in the mountains or the boonies the run flats would at least get me through.

Mike
 
self1 said:
Sure, I could, but heck, I am not going through Tallahassee again that I know of, and it looks like he likes his locals just fine --- just not us fancy-pants 'vette pilots from outta town, I suppose <laugh>.

My post was not meant to point out the dealer's attitude/actions, but really, more of a "think about what you need before you hit the road" for all the rest of us C6 owners.

:beer

Goodyear takes that very seriously, I have to deal with them on a daily basis. I would not hesitate to report him, not even for a nanosecond. The tire business is cuthroat, but what he did was shortsighted, unprofessional and and uncalled for. A smart dealer would of made every effort to take care of you first class.
 
SELF1 said:
It's a shame they could not have engineered in a donut mounted under the trunk (at least as an option for us old-timers, since I know people are weight crazy about the 'vette).
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It's a disappointment to get bad service, like you did - but looking at the aspect of a spare "donut"... where would you have put the left rear if you fitted a spacesaver spare? would you have had any room in the trunk for this monster?
 
tony@scotland said:
It's a disappointment to get bad service, like you did - but looking at the aspect of a spare "donut"... where would you have put the left rear if you fitted a spacesaver spare? would you have had any room in the trunk for this monster?
Excellent question!

I have a coupe, so barring the possibility of being caught with a full load of luggage and gifts etc in rear when I have a flat, I'd suppose I could throw it back there.... hmmm... but it is amazing how HUGE that wheel is when you see it demounted! My 1996 coupe had a spacesaver and pretty wide wheels (nothing like today's though, of course!)

I suppose the run flats are a reasonable appraoch, but it's just going to take some getting used to, for me.

I had an old set of Goodyear ST radials when they first came out, that I put on my old '77 Ranchero, I bought five and rotated them, including the spare that barely stowed behind the seat. I ended up with 41K miles hiway/town mix on them without so much as a slow leak, so it just depends on the fickle finger of fate as to when you are going to get a flat and under what circumstances. With the run flats, you seem pretty unlikely to ever be absolutely stranded at roadside, but then you may be in for a hassle on the repair/replace side.

:beer
 
I sense a "bidness" opportunity here guys! :)

We could make a pile of long green $$$ wit' a "Continental Kit" an' think of how cool our cars would look! :)

:) ....................... :r

Thanks! I needed that.
 
Interesting timing!

I just found a small screw in my LF that was about 1/2 burried. The tire is holding pressure but I wonder???

Also, my March issue of Corvette Enthusiast arrived today and it has a major article on "Non-Run Flat VS Run-Flat". Can't wait to check it out.

Tom
 
But wait, how many of us have spare/no tires in the tubs that are worthless? Have you ever tried cranking down the tub? What do you do with a run flat if you have a blow out?
 
BruceBed said:
But wait, how many of us have spare/no tires in the tubs that are worthless? Have you ever tried cranking down the tub? What do you do with a run flat if you have a blow out?

My C4 donut is full of air and good. I've never used it, but by measurement the ground clearance would get real low with the tub cranked down to take a rear wheel. It would beat walking though.
 
65-to-00 said:
I sense a "bidness" opportunity here guys! :)

We could make a pile of long green $$$ wit' a "Continental Kit" an' think of how cool our cars would look! :)

:) ........

:eek...


:gap...


:)...
 
self1,

After leaving my 1999 C5 coupe for service at my Chevrolet dealership, I received the "low tire pressure" warning when I picked it up and began to drive away. (I bought the car new there).

I turned the car around and spoke to the service writer. He told me I would have to take it to a Goodyear store.

I put air in the tire and drove it home - a slow leak that did not loose all of the air.

I jacked up the car and removed the tire/wheel. I took it to an "authorized" Goodyear runflat dealer and left it for repair. When I returned, I was charged $80.00 + tax for repair the tire with a special patch from the inside. I can't imagine what I would have been charged had the Goodyear dealer had to raise the car and remove the tire/wheel.

The hassle and noise of the Goodyear runflat tires is one of the main reasons I did not buy another C5 or a C6.

Good luck.
 
99WhiteC5Coupe said:
I took it to an "authorized" Goodyear runflat dealer and left it for repair. When I returned, I was charged $80.00 + tax for repair the tire with a special patch from the inside. I can't imagine what I would have been charged had the Goodyear dealer had to raise the car and remove the tire/wheel.

The hassle and noise of the Goodyear runflat tires is one of the main reasons I did not buy another C5 or a C6.

Good luck.


That's a shame. The run flats are at best a poor compromise, but it sure beats shaking the dice and using non-run flats without a spare, IMHO.

I wonder if some sharp Mechanical Engineering grad student is looking at what a pain this is becoming, esp as everyone tries to cut cost and weight of carrying a full spare on sedans, etc...

Donuts aren't much fun....

Run flats are costly, noisy, and non-optimal for everyday performance; all given up just for the off-chance you may need to use them with zero pressure...


I know that a one-piece fixed shouldered rim is easy to make, trouble free, even in our high performance applications, uncomplicated, safe, but one has to wonder if there isn't an economical way to engineer a rim with equivalent performance, but designed to accept a roadside, driver-installed emergency tire, thus doing away with BOTH run-flats for everyday, as well as any need to carry a spare wheel/tire, whether it be donut or full-sized...

Think of the annual aggregate fuel savings this would represent! Think of the lowered standard cost multiplied by number of autos sold...

I guess if it was easy, someone would have done it already... <sigh>
 
self1 said:
That's a shame. The run flats are at best a poor compromise, but it sure beats shaking the dice and using non-run flats without a spare, IMHO.

I wonder if some sharp Mechanical Engineering grad student is looking at what a pain this is becoming, esp as everyone tries to cut cost and weight of carrying a full spare on sedans, etc...

Donuts aren't much fun....

Run flats are costly, noisy, and non-optimal for everyday performance; all given up just for the off-chance you may need to use them with zero pressure...


I know that a one-piece fixed shouldered rim is easy to make, trouble free, even in our high performance applications, uncomplicated, safe, but one has to wonder if there isn't an economical way to engineer a rim with equivalent performance, but designed to accept a roadside, driver-installed emergency tire, thus doing away with BOTH run-flats for everyday, as well as any need to carry a spare wheel/tire, whether it be donut or full-sized...

Think of the annual aggregate fuel savings this would represent! Think of the lowered standard cost multiplied by number of autos sold...

I guess if it was easy, someone would have done it already... <sigh>
AMEN
 
Realistically, what choice do we have?

We are stuck with an expensive, hard riding, noisey tire if we don't want to get stranded. We do a lot of traveling through Boonyville and the West Virginia mountains, so it's off to Grandma's house with the run flats.

Oh well!
 
[QUOTE='63split]Realistically, what choice do we have?

We are stuck with an expensive, hard riding, noisey tire if we don't want to get stranded. We do a lot of traveling through Boonyville and the West Virginia mountains, so it's off to Grandma's house with the run flats.

Oh well![/QUOTE]

I'm in the same boat. I travel thru the Jersey Pine Barrens to Ocean City every weekend starting in June thru August. Most times, it's 8-9pm going down and 4:30-5am coming home. There's nothing for miles at one point. Having the run flats gives me the peace of mind knowing I can still drive the car until I reach civilization!!!!
 

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