ZO6 WEAK???

[TODD L GRIFFITH]

Danica Patrick says ZO6 acceleration feels weak, then waffles on it feels stable at speed, then feels light lol! Sounds like she doesn't know if she's on foot, or horseback :crazy
http://vettetube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=b6c3b5bea9515d1a1fc4&page=1&viewtype=&category=mr

 

[JBsC5]

I remember that article too.. Danna owns a lamboghini and surprisingly she raved about it in the comparision test..

She panned the others with some inane fault... ..

I didn't pay much attention.

 

[Edmond]

With all the "umm's" and "ahhh's", it doesn't sound like she speaks with very much confidence or belief in her words.:eyerole

Now she's an engineer?

Car seems weak? I'll bet she says that about all her cars since she's never won a race.:L

 

[designeraccd]

Never having driven a full out race car or any Lambo....maybe a Z06 is, relatively speaking, "weak". However, as a friend was nice enough to hand me the fob to his brand new '08 Z06 this morning, weak is not the word I would use given my frame of reference.

The car's improved steering (feel) was the first thing I noticed compared to my C5 or the 3 different C6s I've driven, up to an '07. Also the ride, handling and brakes were very, very good and of course the 505hp motor, despite not being revved above 4500 in 3rd, definately felt strong. I drove the car on a twisty River Road and easily matched the "best" I've ever done on that road in any of my sports cars and exceeded what I've done, so far, in my C5. I came very close to the best speed I've done on some of my bikes on this road. The Z06 wasn't being pushed at all and gave me a strong feeling of confidence about exactly what all 4 wheels were doing. I still don't have that "feel" from my '02 C5 even tho she now has Mich. "ultra hi-po" rubber and Bilstein shocks.

IMhO, the Z06 has got to be an excellent ultra hi performance "value"....no matter what one spends. GM deserves accolades for this car. DFO

 

[korvettekarl]

I don't take her opinion too seriously. She has never won a race and I don't think that will change in the near future. In my opinion she is way over hyped.

 

[trs]

Solution to Danicka

Simple solution: Danicka takes her Lambo to the Nordschleife and turns a time. If it's not lower than the Z-06 time of 7min 42 sec, she stays quiet on the subject forever more.

 

[Phill]

Sometimes its better to keep your mouth shot then to open it and........ well you all know the rest.

 

[agentf1]

Don't know what she is used to driving. She did not like the new Viper either. :confused

 

[Hib Halverson]

I don't take her opinion too seriously. She has never won a race and I don't think that will change in the near future. In my opinion she is way over hyped.

Interesting....

Curious...korvettekarl...have you ever driven an IndyCar competitively? If so, give us an idea of your career performances in one?

Ms. Patrick's career record is no wins, three poles, four top-5s and 15 top-10s. Currently, she's 9th in points.

While that's not championship caliber performance, it's certainly performance worthy of being taken seriously and any IndyCar driver who does not is a fool.

I think what we ought not to take seriously, is korvettekarl's comments.

As to Patrick thinking a Z06 is "weak" and not caring for a Viper, well...I can see how someone used to driving an IndyCar would say that, considering the power-to-weight ratio of her race car and it's handling. It's hard to say what her benchmark was when she said, that so it's a little tough to simply write her comments off as irrelevant.

The best post here was:

Simple solution: Danicka (sic) takes her Lambo to the Nordschleife and turns a time. If it's not lower than the Z-06 time of 7min 42 sec, she stays quiet on the subject

What that, I agree....how 'bout it Danica!

 

[Hib Halverson]

I don't take her opinion too seriously. She has never won a race and I don't think that will change in the near future. In my opinion she is way over hyped.

Interesting....

I'm curious, korvettekarl, about your expertise with driving IndyCars. Have you ever driven one competitively? If so, can you give us an idea of your career performances?

Ms. Patrick's career record in the Indy Racing League is: 38 finishes in 47 starts, no wins, eight top-5s, 26 top-10s, three poles and she's led 80 laps. At Indy in 05, she led 19 laps and finished 4th and finished 8th this year. Currently, she's 7th in points. In 06 she finished 9th in points and in 05 she was 12th in points. Prior to that she won the Formula Atlantic Championship twice and the Barber Pro Series once.

While that's not championship caliber results, it's close and is certainly performance worthy of being taken seriously, especially since she's achieved that with an organization that is not generally considered a front-line team. In fact, one reason she's moving to Andretti/Green is get access to front-line equipment and preparation. Any IndyCar driver who does not take Patrick seriously is a fool.

What we ought not to take seriously, is korvettekarl's comments because he lacks knowledge of what's going on in IndyCar racing.

As to Patrick thinking a Z06 is "weak" and not caring for a Viper, well...I can see how someone used to driving an IndyCar would say that, considering the power-to-weight ratio of her race car and its handling. It's hard to say what her benchmark was when she said that, so it's a little tough to simply write her comments off as irrelevant.

The best post here was:

Simple solution: Danicka (sic) takes her Lambo to the Nordschleife and turns a time. If it's not lower than the Z-06 time of 7min 42 sec, she stays quiet on the subject

With that, I agree....how 'bout it Danica!

 

[c4c5specialist]

hi there,
Comparison, sure, you put 250k into a ZO6 and you will get Lamborghini performance and handling.
Fact is, there is NO comparison.
So, why bother?
75k vs 250k, you be the judge. IMO, the Lamborghini will beat Z everytime.
Allthebest, c4c5

 

[Scottsredvette]

To each their own---- My Triumph TR-7 feels weak compared to a friends TR-8, My Jag XJ 12 C feels weak compared to my C-4. My C-4 feels weak compared to any of the new Vettes. And, I like driving all of them. As to Ms Patrick, don't think I'd want to tangle with her on a race track. How many of us are professional race drivers and how many of us can qualify for Indy. Think she's had a bit more experience with hi performance vehicles than most of us have.

Scott

 

[Hib Halverson]

hi there,
Comparison, sure, you put 250k into a ZO6 and you will get Lamborghini performance and handling.
Fact is, there is NO comparison.
So, why bother?
75k vs 250k, you be the judge. IMO, the Lamborghini will beat Z everytime.
Allthebest, c4c5

When you say "fact is.." you must have test data of your own or you have access to perhaps road test data from other sources form overseas tests of both those cars.

Could you supply some data to back up what you say is "fact".

I believe a Z06 has lapped the north loop at Nürburgring in 7:42. If there ever was a test of a performance sports car's performance and handling on the road, it's The Ring. In the high-sports segment (Z06, 911 Turbo or GT3, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc) there is hardly a more relevant test of a car's real world performance abilities than that.

How quickly has the "Lambo" lapped The Ring?

 

[c4c5specialist]

I am not looking at it simply from a performance aspect.
I am speaking of the entire automobile aspect.
Exotic materials, exclusivity, body structure, EVERY SINGLE ASPECT.
Not just handling, power, driveline.
You will NEVER get the attention to detail of a mass produced motor vehicle verses something that is hand built, in depth.
From an automotive technicians standpoint, IMO, there is NO WAY anyone but a professional driver can evaluate these vehicles from a performance aspect.
Even professional testing, if you have more seat time in one vs the other, who can possibly be THAT consistent over time and testing of 2 totally different vehicles.
Allthebest, c4c5

 

[bwing]

When you say "fact is.." you must have test data of your own or you have access to perhaps road test data from other sources form overseas tests of both those cars.

Could you supply some data to back up what you say is "fact".

I believe a Z06 has lapped the north loop at Nürburgring in 7:42. If there ever was a test of a performance sports car's performance and handling on the road, it's The Ring. In the high-sports segment (Z06, 911 Turbo or GT3, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc) there is hardly a more relevant test of a car's real world performance abilities than that.

How quickly has the "Lambo" lapped The Ring?

Lamborghini LP640, 01/07, 7:47

 

[bwing]

Here are record lap times at Nurburgring with various vehicles.

Miscellaneous lap times of road cars
6:55 - Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (28 Sep 2005)
7:11 - 172.065 km/h -- McLaren F1 (GTR?), Mika Hakkinen, www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zonda.html (* not an official source)
7:12 - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03)
7:14 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 398 PS/760 kg, Michael Düchting (sport auto 11/05)
7:15 - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, deatrick Simon (sport auto 09/05)
7:18 - Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Düchting (sport auto 12/04)
7:28 - Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, 650 PS/1230 kg (09/07)
7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1380 kg, Walter Röhrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7.32 - Porsche Carrera GT (Sport Auto Trophy, driven by Horst von Saurma)
7:32 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (Michael Duchting)
7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2 2008 (Motor Authority, Autobild, driven by Walter Röhrl, complaining after the lap that he had to pass eleven other cars "Ich musste elf Autos ueberholen")
7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1380 kg (Gemballa)
7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1140 kg (cold conditions), Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
7:38 - Nissan GT-R, 480PS/1720kg 26,600 Meter Timing September 2007
7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480PS/1565 kg Walter Röhrl
7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, 626PS/1768 kg Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - Bugatti Veyron 16/4, 1001PS/1888 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413 PS/1320 kg (160.868 km/h), Lucas Luhr (Autobild 07/04)
7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg, Walter Röhrl (Automobil 05/06)
7.42 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen)[2]
7:42 - Ford GT, 550 PS/1521 kg (as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05) (news release, pictures)
7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44 - Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg (sport auto 02/05)
7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:46 - Jaguar XJ220, 3.5-litre V6, John Neilsen.
7:47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS (sport tyres) [citation needed]
7:47 - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano,620PS/1690 kg (sport auto)
7:47 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 E-gear (sport tyres) (sport auto 01/07)
7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg (sport auto 07/06)
7:49 - Helmut Dähne, Honda VFR750R
7:50 - Fausto "Faustone" Severi RSV1000R vs GSXR1000 Dähne (SuperWheels's Pattuglia Acrobatica 2002)
7:50 - Westfield Megabusa, 180 PS/440 kg [citation needed]
7:50 - Lamborghini Murcielago, (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 - BMW X5 E53 LM, BMW Lemans V-12 engine 750 bhp, Hans-Joachim Stuck (EVO magazine 08/2005)
7:50 - BMW M3 E46 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:52 - Porsche 996 GT3 (381 hp) [citation needed]
7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo [citation needed]
7:55 - Caterham R500 Superlight, 233 PS/460 kg, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:55 - Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06)
7:56 - Honda NSX-R (NA2), 280 PS/31kgm/1270 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best MOTORing 08/02)
7:56 - Porsche 996 Turbo (sport auto 06/00)
7:56 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (sport tyres) (sport auto 02/04)
7:57 - Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo (600 hp, racing suspension) [citation needed]
7:59 - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, Walter Röhrl, (WHEELS 06/04)
7:59 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R33, Dirk Schoysmans, unknown modifications (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:59 - Dodge Viper SRT-10 (11/05) Motor Trend
7:59 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51,405 PS/1481 kg, driver Dave Hill (manufacturer claim)
7:59 - Subaru Impreza Sti Spec-C (Prototype), 280 PS/1370 kg (Subaru News 2004 [4])
8:01 - Bugatti EB 110 Supersport, 610 PS/1410 kg [citation needed]
8:01 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R33, 280 PS/37.5 kgf·m/1540 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R33 GT-R])
8:02 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series, 507 PS/ 1790 kg (autobild 07/07)
8:03 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005), 380 bhp/1570 kg (sport auto 10/05)
8:03 - Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/99)
8:03 - Honda NSX-R (NA1), 280 PS/30 kgf·m/1230 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best MOTORing 02/06)
8:06 - Subaru WRX STi Spec-C prototype, 280 PS/42 kgf·m/1370 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring International video "NISMO Beast Unleashed")
8:07 - Ferrari 550 [citation needed]
8:07 - BMW Z8 E52, 400 PS/1615 kg (autobild.de 06/01)
8:09 - Lamborghini Diablo SV [citation needed]
8:09 - Ferrari 360 Modena [citation needed]
8:09 - BMW M6 E63 (sport tyres) [limited to 259 km/h] (sport auto 12/05)
8:09 - Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg, sport tires, suspension modification (sport auto 08/02)
8:10 - Chrysler Viper GTS (Sport Auto 10/97)
8:11 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR prototype, 280 PS/40.8 kgf·m/1420 kg, Takayuki Kino****a (Best Motoring International video "Carrera Invasion")
8:12 - Porsche 993 Turbo (430 hp version) [citation needed]
8:13 - BMW M5 E60, 507 PS (sport auto 12/04)
8:13 - Ferrari 355 GTB (Sport Auto 10/1994)
8:17 - Porsche 996 C2 [citation needed]
8:22 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R32, 280 PS/36 kgf·m/1430 kg, Motoharu Kurosawa (Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series [The R32 GT-R])
8:22 - BMW M3 E46, 343 PS/1584 kg (sport auto 12/00)
8:22 - BMW M Coupe E36/7, 321 PS/1445 kg (sport auto 10/98)
8:22 - Mercedes CLK 63 AMG (fastest AMG test engineer)
8:24 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI, sport tires (Sport Auto 05/04)
8:25 - Jaguar XKR (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Porsche Cayman S (Sport Auto)
8:25 - Audi RS4 375 hp [citation needed]
8:24 - Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/99)
8:25 - Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/02)
8:26 - BMW 335i E92 Coupe, 306 hp (Sport Auto)
8:26 - Nissan 350Z (Sport Auto 10/03)
8:28 - Porsche 911 Carrera (993) (Sport Auto 07/97)
8:28 - BMW M5 E39 (previous model), 400 hp [citation needed]
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S (Sport Auto 12/99)
8.34 - BMW Sauber F1.06 Formula One car, Nick Heidfeld, April 28 2007[1]
8:35 - BMW M3 E36 Coupe, 321 hp [citation needed]
8:36 - Opel Astra OPC, 240 PS/1355 kg, Manuel Reuter (mfr., Oct 2005), sport compact record holder
8:37 - Mercedes C32 AMG [citation needed]
8:38 - Honda NSX (sport auto, 08/97)
8:39 - Honda S2000 (sport auto 01/00)
8:40 - Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 PS/1505 kg (sport auto 07/97) (Crash involving civilian later in the lap)
8:42 - Audi S4 265 hp [citation needed]
8:42 - Lotus Exige, sport tires (Sport Auto 11/00)
8:47 - Honda Civic Type-R (Sport Auto 11/01)
8:48 - Opel Corsa OPC, 192 HP/1203 kg, Manuel Reuter, supermini record
8:49 - Jaguar XKR Coupe [citation needed]
8:52 - Mercedes CLK 430 [citation needed]
9:12 - Jaguar S-Type Diesel driven by Sabine Schmitz for an episode of Top Gear (Series 5, Episode 5 Bridge to Gantry)
9:59 - Jaguar S-Type Diesel driven by Jeremy Clarkson for an episode of Top Gear (Series 5, Episode 5 Bridge to Gantry)
10:08 - Ford Transit driven by Sabine Schmitz for an episode of Top Gear (Series 6, episode 7; Bridge to Gantry within tourist traffic)

 

[TODD L GRIFFITH]

Looks like the stock ZO6 is in some pretty darn good company riding the ring. A few dollars for a cam and headers and tuning would move the Z alot futher up for sure with minimal investment. :L That is a big plus for all you C6 Z owners, a bad azz with alot more potential to compete and stomp any high mega priced exotic you'll ever see on your local highway. In stock form it is a beast anyway.

 

[kenmack]

Z06 not up to snuff

Well excuse me!!! So the Corvette Z06 isn't perfect???:confused

Take those Italian and German automotive gurus,hand them in American dollars the M.S.R.Price of a new Z06 or even a ZR1 and tell them to build a car that even comes close and still make enough money to keep building it.:eyerole

I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD EVEN ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE.
much less produce something that was remotely competitve with our North American icon.