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BigRed said:
I have been caught up in this since the first post. I want to see this car!!!!!!
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you aren't the only one!
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LS6
Just as a point of interest here is a listing for a '71 LS6 that was an export car and is now back in the USA with very low miles and in really nice condition. Keep in mind that there were 188 '71 LS6s in coupe, convertible, 4 speed and automatic including the 12 ZR2s. So far there have been 0 1970 LS6s documented.
This dealer is just south of Lingenfelters in Decatur IN and has been around for a long time. Check on the Corvettes and page down to the 1971.
Shaffer Investment Auto
Tom
Just as a point of interest here is a listing for a '71 LS6 that was an export car and is now back in the USA with very low miles and in really nice condition. Keep in mind that there were 188 '71 LS6s in coupe, convertible, 4 speed and automatic including the 12 ZR2s. So far there have been 0 1970 LS6s documented.
This dealer is just south of Lingenfelters in Decatur IN and has been around for a long time. Check on the Corvettes and page down to the 1971.
Shaffer Investment Auto
Tom
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FYI. I was not able to meet up with Darren today. Lots of RAIN! That didn't help the 50th Corvette Party, and most likely kept Darren away.
Darren, when you see this let me know, we will hook up. Sorry we missed you. Oh, by the way. I took home "People's Choice" award in the C3 class.
Thanks,
Rick
Darren, when you see this let me know, we will hook up. Sorry we missed you. Oh, by the way. I took home "People's Choice" award in the C3 class.
Thanks,
Rick
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a69vette said:
Congratulations Rick. You have a beautiful car and I'm sure it was well deservred.
Tom
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Thank you Tom. The weather did not cooperate today (Sun Shinny Central Florida). We had plans on taking a pix of every year. Starting with the '53 thru the 2003, and the morphing them from year to year. The end result would be burned to CD for viewing. This would have resulted in seeing the changes from year to year in a real cool way.
Again, thanks for the compliments.
Rick
Again, thanks for the compliments.
Rick
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I'm sorry things didn't work out. That would have been a cool CD.
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Hello,
The weather here has not been the greatest today and I was stuck working at one of my rental properties. Trouble w. septic system....not good. To let you all know I've tried to scan a copy of the window sticker w. all attempts unsuccessful. It will not pick up the scan and when it does come out it looks nothing like it. I'm going to take pictures of both the car, window sticker and post them here. I have another question......should the window sticker say what dealership the car was delivered to? That part of it is blank. And does anyone know what the X's stand for on the block? Tomorrow the rain is supposed to end in sunny Florida so I'll snap some pictures and post them. Is there aything else I can post on this car that might help both all of you or myself understand what I have. I have noticed that the car has headers on it and not a regular exhaust manifolds. Are there any casting numbers on them I should look for? I will take picture of the center console that tells all of the engine info and anything else I can find. Like I said I'm not familiar w. Corvettes so let me know.
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D
The weather here has not been the greatest today and I was stuck working at one of my rental properties. Trouble w. septic system....not good. To let you all know I've tried to scan a copy of the window sticker w. all attempts unsuccessful. It will not pick up the scan and when it does come out it looks nothing like it. I'm going to take pictures of both the car, window sticker and post them here. I have another question......should the window sticker say what dealership the car was delivered to? That part of it is blank. And does anyone know what the X's stand for on the block? Tomorrow the rain is supposed to end in sunny Florida so I'll snap some pictures and post them. Is there aything else I can post on this car that might help both all of you or myself understand what I have. I have noticed that the car has headers on it and not a regular exhaust manifolds. Are there any casting numbers on them I should look for? I will take picture of the center console that tells all of the engine info and anything else I can find. Like I said I'm not familiar w. Corvettes so let me know.
Thanks,
D
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Those X's are a mystery. If you could get a good picture of the block stamping that would be great. I'm not sure when they started typing the dealer name on the sticker but there should be a dealer code. The NCRS has a good collection of known codes so maybe we will get lucky.
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Showoff!!!
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Tom,
Had no luck getting online yesterday. High winds in FL must have messed something up with the cable. Even missed the Bucs game. Anyway, I'm in AZ and will be back on Thursday morning. Took all the pictures you need and will post here. Anything that looked like it might help will post. I actually have picture of inside of car and will post in a few.
D
Had no luck getting online yesterday. High winds in FL must have messed something up with the cable. Even missed the Bucs game. Anyway, I'm in AZ and will be back on Thursday morning. Took all the pictures you need and will post here. Anything that looked like it might help will post. I actually have picture of inside of car and will post in a few.
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djkls6 said:
If the window sticker doesn't have the dealer name and address on it, and doesn't have a six-digit number in the upper right corner (that doesn't match any other number), it's a reproduction.
Sure would help if we had the casting date off the block and a pic of the engine stamp pad!
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Hello Darren,
I've just joined the forum after being contacted by some other members (Thanks Rob and Chris) and hope I might be able to be of some help in sorting out your 1970. I own a few unusual cars (see www.67fso.com and www.airl88.com Dec 2002 Vette Vues and Fall 2002 NCRS Corvette Restorer) and have been through what you are going through right now when I first got into this. I don’t claim to be any kind of authority, so take my experiences for what they are worth
The first thing I learned is to move very slowly on altering or doing anything physically to the car until its true identity and history has been thoroughly documented. If indeed it turns out that you have a rare car, it will be a piece of history that you will want to preserve for your own enjoyment, as well as the entire community. This is really fun stuff when you have a unique and desirable car.
The next thing is to seek the advice and expert eyes of those who are very familiar with 68 to 72’s, especially a 1970 in your case. There are very knowledgeable people in your neck of the woods, and I’m sure a few would be willing to help you go over the car in minute detail if you wanted. I could help you get in touch with some NCRS members if you’d like.
I’ve read your previous posts a few times and have tried to sum up the details you have given so far. It sounds like the car has been in your family since it was new, that it is a low mileage car at 21K, and that you might have a significant amount of paper work on it. If you have the Protect-O-Plate with the warranty book, that would be a big help, along with any other sales or delivery documentation. If there is even a small shred of the tank sticker left with any numbers on it, that would be a big help also. Obviously the window sticker is important, but it would correlate the information with the Protect-O and tank sticker.
From your description the car sounds like it might be in survivor condition with original paint, but may have had less than perfect storage conditions over the years. It also sounds like you might have started to partially take the motor apart. I don’t know if you have pulled the gas tank to see the tank sticker or looked in from the gas lid. Sometimes the sticker can look pretty bad from a gas lid view, but isn’t hideous when you actually get the tank out of the car. If you don’t have anything taken apart yet, leave it together! A survivor condition, desirable, one of a kind car is the Holy Grail.
There are a few things you can look at right a way to see if it might be a factory delivered LS6. As you have seen, the stamp pad numbers tell a lot, as does the block casting number 3963512. Find the block casting date, which is on the rear of the block on the passenger side, opposite the casting number. It is possible that the casting date is down in front of the starter for an early 512 casting, but it should be on the rear bellhousing flange by the time yours was cast.
See if the cylinder heads are aluminum or cast iron, and write down their casting numbers and casting dates if you have the valve covers off. If the intake is off, get the casting date and number. Same with the distributor, which is on the neckband, and the coil. Get the carb numbers off the front of the airhorn, starter numbers off the body, water pump numbers under the pulleys, etc. Also take note of what the numbers and letters are on your trim tag, which is in the drivers side door jam.
There are more items that would point to it being an original LS6 with the brakes, suspension, transmission, rear diff, etc., but this stuff can be pretty subtle if you haven’t seen it before. The above items will get you started and at least let you know if it is possibly a factory LS6 or has dealer installed items from later on. During this era it was common for dealers to swap things around as seen fit, so in cases like your car, documentation and close physical examination are everything.
Special cars were built for certain people and for different reasons. Chevrolet was capable of doing some odd stuff, so any tidbits you come up with would help as far as the people who were involved and who they knew.
Hope this helps.
Bob
I've just joined the forum after being contacted by some other members (Thanks Rob and Chris) and hope I might be able to be of some help in sorting out your 1970. I own a few unusual cars (see www.67fso.com and www.airl88.com Dec 2002 Vette Vues and Fall 2002 NCRS Corvette Restorer) and have been through what you are going through right now when I first got into this. I don’t claim to be any kind of authority, so take my experiences for what they are worth
The first thing I learned is to move very slowly on altering or doing anything physically to the car until its true identity and history has been thoroughly documented. If indeed it turns out that you have a rare car, it will be a piece of history that you will want to preserve for your own enjoyment, as well as the entire community. This is really fun stuff when you have a unique and desirable car.
The next thing is to seek the advice and expert eyes of those who are very familiar with 68 to 72’s, especially a 1970 in your case. There are very knowledgeable people in your neck of the woods, and I’m sure a few would be willing to help you go over the car in minute detail if you wanted. I could help you get in touch with some NCRS members if you’d like.
I’ve read your previous posts a few times and have tried to sum up the details you have given so far. It sounds like the car has been in your family since it was new, that it is a low mileage car at 21K, and that you might have a significant amount of paper work on it. If you have the Protect-O-Plate with the warranty book, that would be a big help, along with any other sales or delivery documentation. If there is even a small shred of the tank sticker left with any numbers on it, that would be a big help also. Obviously the window sticker is important, but it would correlate the information with the Protect-O and tank sticker.
From your description the car sounds like it might be in survivor condition with original paint, but may have had less than perfect storage conditions over the years. It also sounds like you might have started to partially take the motor apart. I don’t know if you have pulled the gas tank to see the tank sticker or looked in from the gas lid. Sometimes the sticker can look pretty bad from a gas lid view, but isn’t hideous when you actually get the tank out of the car. If you don’t have anything taken apart yet, leave it together! A survivor condition, desirable, one of a kind car is the Holy Grail.
There are a few things you can look at right a way to see if it might be a factory delivered LS6. As you have seen, the stamp pad numbers tell a lot, as does the block casting number 3963512. Find the block casting date, which is on the rear of the block on the passenger side, opposite the casting number. It is possible that the casting date is down in front of the starter for an early 512 casting, but it should be on the rear bellhousing flange by the time yours was cast.
See if the cylinder heads are aluminum or cast iron, and write down their casting numbers and casting dates if you have the valve covers off. If the intake is off, get the casting date and number. Same with the distributor, which is on the neckband, and the coil. Get the carb numbers off the front of the airhorn, starter numbers off the body, water pump numbers under the pulleys, etc. Also take note of what the numbers and letters are on your trim tag, which is in the drivers side door jam.
There are more items that would point to it being an original LS6 with the brakes, suspension, transmission, rear diff, etc., but this stuff can be pretty subtle if you haven’t seen it before. The above items will get you started and at least let you know if it is possibly a factory LS6 or has dealer installed items from later on. During this era it was common for dealers to swap things around as seen fit, so in cases like your car, documentation and close physical examination are everything.
Special cars were built for certain people and for different reasons. Chevrolet was capable of doing some odd stuff, so any tidbits you come up with would help as far as the people who were involved and who they knew.
Hope this helps.
Bob
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Welcome to the Corvette Action Center and thanks for helping to shed some light on this!!
Welcome to the Corvette Action Center and thanks for helping to shed some light on this!!
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67FSO-Bob, Thanks for your story and pictures:s. That was GREAT!!! Also you mention Kevin Mackay from Corvtte Repair in NY. I'm his new webmaster. (corvetterepair.com), it's still his old site now, he's so busy I can't get info to start the new site. I saw him putting the Pensky car together this past spring 
, I was a kid in a candy store.
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Welcome to the Corvette Action Center Bob. I've enjoyed the articles on your rare Corvettes in
The Restorer and I hope to see them in person someday. Beautiful cars.
Thanks for the input. I think we are getting closer to getting photos of the info you suggested and some other things as well. If all works out Friday evening should be interesting. Let's keep our fingers crossed that Rick and Darren can get together as planned.
Tom
Welcome to the Corvette Action Center Bob. I've enjoyed the articles on your rare Corvettes in
The Restorer and I hope to see them in person someday. Beautiful cars.
Thanks for the input. I think we are getting closer to getting photos of the info you suggested and some other things as well. If all works out Friday evening should be interesting. Let's keep our fingers crossed that Rick and Darren can get together as planned.
Tom
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Hi, Bob -
Enjoyed talking with you and reviewing your documentation book for your terrific '67 at Monterey - great article in the new "Vette Vues"!
Once we get some more numbers on this '70 we'll have a better idea what we're dealing with.
John Hinckley
Enjoyed talking with you and reviewing your documentation book for your terrific '67 at Monterey - great article in the new "Vette Vues"!
Once we get some more numbers on this '70 we'll have a better idea what we're dealing with.
John Hinckley
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No pressure now!!
Let's hope this nice weather stays around for awhile. We should be hooking up on Friday or Saturday (Hoping for Friday).
Thanks,
Rick
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Here I was hoping that you would make my weekend. What happened?
Tom
Got your PM. Maybe tomorrow.
Tom
Got your PM. Maybe tomorrow.
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