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One last response to your comments (and this is all in good spirit!)
(1) My Dad voted for Carter and then for Reagan, and at 83 wishes he could vote for Reagan again.
(2) My greed comments were directed at "both" sides not just corporations that you talk about. Do you know what Union Leaders average salaries are??? $300K, $400K -- keep going!! Top 1% of earners .... bit of hypocrisy compared to average worker... check this link
Union Leaders Decrying CEO Pay Also in Top 1%: BGOV Barometer - Bloomberg
(3) I am a CFII, MEI and former Corporate pilot for our company - firing the flight Controllers was an excellent idea - their strike put thousands of lives in jeopardy - they knew what they were hiring up for when they signed their contracts.
(4) Workers in America make better wages and work in the better conditions than anywhere else in the world despite imperfections. And if you think you should make the same as a CEO then go become one yourself, or start your own company with your own money and stop complaining about how much someone else signed up to make. No one talks about the many business owners who lost it all trying to start a company that "employs" people who need jobs... they take the risks ! But that's part of American freedom and why so many people want to live here.
(5) If unions think they need to get more political to solve their problems then they are worse off then I ever imagined.... we all are aware how much liberal politics play into Unions ... all while the head of the IRS is likely to be indicted on criminal charges for biases against conservative groups... we cannot make companies into the "nanny" states the federal gov't is becoming and expect companies to compete or survive.
(5) One last anecdotal story and I'm done: My son-in-law served 2 tours in Iraq. On return to a nuclear plant job as a Security officer he was invited to set in on a Nuclear Engineer course during the last 3 weeks of a 6 month training class. He made the 2nd highest score in the class despite absent from most of the class (he is a smart kid). But he was told he could not expect to get a Job at that plant doing that work because it was a "Union job" !!! Security was not part of the Union. The only hope extended was that no one in the Union would apply or he took a Union janitor job. Back to carrying an M-4 around for 2 years and 3 round of classes until he was he able to grab a spot because there was not enough Union members able to qualify or applied. Interestingly, Union workers never have to take the final Nuclear Engineer licensing test due to their Union contract (most don't because if they failed they could loose their job or loose the increase in salary - but the plant needs licensed engineers!!).
So what is the Union protecting here? Is this about workers rights ? ... Unions are only interested in the rights of "those workers" who PAY them money. Check again the salaries of Union Leaders !
But hey, I still own a VETTE made by GM - a bailed out company - but that's part of my freedom for living in America - with all the heat over ignitions right now I wonder if this Strike in the best interest of our beloved Vette factory.
According to Kiplingers to be in the 1% you had to make $388,905 in 2013. To be in the top 50% you had to make just about $35,000. That’s about an 11-1 ratio however, since I told you that I am in construction $35K would be a very low annual wage. Let’s say a Plumber makes $50 per hour in Chicago. It would be less than that in Cleveland, Indianapolis, Kansas City but much more in New York, San Francisco and Boston so for the sake of arguing let’s use Chicago. If the Plumber misses roughly 350 hours due to weather and works about 1700 hours that would allow him to earn $81,600. If you take that $388K and compare it to the $81,600 that’s a ratio of about 4.7-1. That is a very long way from 354-1. I know Operating Engineers that run tower cranes in the large cities that I mentioned previous that work 12-14 hour days 6 maybe 7 days a week. They climb that tower crane in the morning, pee in a bucket all day make their picks for the job while being directed by radio not knowing what they are lifting, how much they are lifting or what or who they are swinging that load over because most of the time they can’t see it. A dangerous job with a lot of responsibility. They make good wages and a lot of overtime. $100K a year would be on the low end and probably more like $200K in New York and San Francisco but again for the sake of argument let’s say $150K for a good tower crane operator. That would be a ratio of 2.59-1. That number is even farther from that 354-1 ratio and that’s assuming that the President of the Operating Engineers makes the $388K. He might make less which would bring that down even farther. Bloomberg gets their figures from LM2 filings and often times benefits and expenses are part of that total amount. Don’t get me wrong, $300K-$400K is a very good wage but those leaders have the responsibility of running organizations with hundreds of thousands of members plus their families. Do you think that you are going to attract a member to be President of a Union and move to Washington, DC by paying them $50K a year? They don’t get bonuses or stock options so there is a huge difference between Labor leaders and the CEO’s that are making millions. I don’t mind paying my dues for that kind of representation. <o


If you notice the middle class shrinking, it is shrinking at the same rate that Union density is decreasing. The graphs parallel each other. Coincidence?
Why do people complain about the GM bailout? Should the Obama administration have let all of those jobs and the smaller supply companies go down the drain? When Pearl Harbor was bombed thus dragging us into the war, the auto manufacturers (including GM) instantly quit manufacturing automobiles and retooled to make weapons, ships, planes, PT boats, tanks and anything that we needed to win the war. The ability of the US to mass produce weapons and steel is what won the war for us and we should have just let them go belly up without lifting a finger to help them?
All of that being said I hope that some common sense prevails with respect to the UAW workers and management at the Bowling Green plant and they can come to terms without a strike. <o

