carnuba wax or polymer

[MY02-Z06]

Appologies in advance for my very unscientific reasoning.

I like the smell of Mother's Carnauba.
This is also the only car care product that I don't use gloves with when applying. I also find it very easy to apply and remove and the results last for a long time.
Heidi

I agree with you.Mother`s Carnuba is a good product.Since my 80 was repainted thats all Ive used on it.It doest smell good as well.

 

[JJS]

I agree with you.Mother`s Carnuba is a good product.Since my 80 was repainted thats all Ive used on it.It doest smell good as well.

I used to use Mother's and really liked it. BUT, since using the Collinite Marque D'Elegance, I'm hooked. Dirt and water just bounce right off this stuff. I actually chuckle when I take the hose to it! - John

 

[atmmac]

I've settled on Mothers. With a name like that, how can you go wrong?

I go with the mothers too. I dont see the point in wasting my money on Zaino...Make it cheaper and sell it in stores im not waiting 3 days for it to get shipped to my house. I also heard polymer wax takes off a tiny amount of clear coat each time you use it. Its caranuba for me.

 

[JJU]

I also heard polymer wax takes off a tiny amount of clear coat each time you use it.

I respect your opinion to choose whatever you want on your auto.

Where did you hear this?

If you are refering to Zaino, it's not true. There are no abrasives in any of the Zaino sealant products.

 

[atmmac]

i think i read it in an article somewhere cant remember exactly though.

 

[Aurora40]

I don't see any reason a polymer would have to take off any more paint than a carnauba. Both have solvents in them, and are applied by wiping. I'll tell you this, nothing puts more paint on your car, so at some level, wiping anything over your paint will probaby knock some molecules off.

On single-stage paint you can usually see some paint transfer on a white cloth with any wax or sealant. Part is the cut of the cloth you use, part is the solvent, and part is that anything is abrasive to some degree. But it's nothing to worry about. Not waxing your paint and allowing it to oxidize will take it off quicker than the tiny bit of removal from applying a "non-abrasive" product.

 

[JJU]

Aurora40, I would AGREE with your molecule theory if there is nothing on top of the clear-coat or single stage paint. If there is enough protection on top of the paint, no matter what you call it (carnuaba, sealant, see-through glass), the simple wiping motion of a human hand (light friction) using a non-contaminated soft towel on top of that layer of protection WILL NOT remove surface paint. Some products are better than others. I mention glass to prove a point about the thckness of the protection even though it would be impractical. You can achieve a level of protection that does NOT remove any surface paint when wiped.

Thank God most of us deal with a level slightly higher than the molecular level; that is the level that most of us can see with the naked eye.

"Perfect paint" is relative. You want "healthy paint". Healthy paint, even unprotected, will bead water but protection is the key to keeping your paint healthy. The paint on your car isn't going to be more perfect than the day it comes off the assembly line or out of the body shop. To keep the health of your paint you need to protect it as fast as you can based on the paint's cure time. ALWAYS use a product that is non-abrasive. That layer of protection on top of the paint keeps oxidation from occuring.

I DO NOT AGREE that all carnauba and sealant products have solvents and/or abrasives in them. Appling a non-abrasive product will not always remove a molecular layer of paint.

I've been applying Zaino for 5 years and have used other products for almost 30 years on clear-coats and single stage paints. I've never seen any paint pigment on a white towel unless the paint's condition is very bad OR hasn't cured properly OR the product I'm wiping with contains a solvent/abrasive.

If a solvent/abrasive continues to be applied to the surface of paint it will eventually scratch and you will notice those scratches subtly at first but more pronounced later.

 

[Aurora40]

I DO NOT AGREE that all carnauba and sealant products have solvents and/or abrasives in them. Appling a non-abrasive product will not always remove a molecular layer of paint.

I've been applying Zaino for 5 years and have used other products for almost 30 years on clear-coats and single stage paints. I've never seen any paint pigment on a white towel unless the paint's condition is very bad OR hasn't cured properly OR the product I'm wiping with contains a solvent/abrasive.

If a solvent/abrasive continues to be applied to the surface of paint it will eventually scratch and you will notice those scratches subtly at first but more pronounced later.

Well, something doesn't have to have abrasives in it to be abrasive. Water has no abrasives in it. Can it abrade? Sure. Shoot some Z5 through a pressure washer at a high enough psi, and I bet you can abrade paint away. Or run billions of gallons of it for hundreds of years across the ground and cut out a canyon. Is it because the product is so abrasive? Everything is abrasive to some degree, it's just at what degree is it relevant?

Also, why would abrasives leave a scratch? A mild polish will abrade, but as long as the abrasive size is controlled, it would never leave a scratch. Continued use would most likely improve the finish each time as it slowly levels it, it wouldn't slowly degrade the finish.

Zaino has a solvent. If it didn't how does it cure? But you can read right on the label that it does. I've also pulled off paint with Z2Pro on a pad on single-stage paint that was hit with a cleaner beforehand. Even over AIO which leaves protection behind. On these mirror housings, every product results in some pigment on the applicator. So what? It doesn't mean they will eventually take the paint off, or are bad.

 

[JJU]

I agree with your assessment that anything can be abrasive given enough pressure or time. That’s why you should minimize the abrasive nature of whatever you are using.

Why would you continuously need to level paint using an abrasive if it has been leveled correctly to achieve the optimum final result? At some point you need to stop leveling and start protecting. If an abrasive product was applied incorrectly OR in extreme volume OR when it’s not needed for leveling, it will erode at the surface. Some people consider that “scratching”. It all depends on your point of view. It may take 1 year, 5 years, 10 years but eventually this will be apparent in some form.

I was using the term “solvent” in relation to its definition in Webster’s: “A substance, usually liquid that dissolves or can dissolve another substance”. In this case the “substance” I was referring to is single-stage or clear coat paint.

I’m not a chemist but I did look up the chemical you are referring. Technically you are correct that Aliphatic Hydrocarbon is a solvent. It is an oxidizing agent. All the information I’ve found is that it DOES NO DAMAGE to paint. If you are saying that you experienced Z-2Pro pulling paint pigment off of single stage paint after using some sort of “cleaner”, you should call Sal Zaino. Something isn’t correct. AIO and Zaino are not compatible products for achieving a known level of protection because neither company tests their product on the other. I don’t know what will happen when they are used together with a “cleaner” in the mix. I’m sorry but I’ve NEVER experienced pigment removed when applying a Zaino product except Z-PC. I know one thing for sure, it’s not good to see pigment on your applicator every time you attempt to protect your paint. You’re pulling off more than a few safe molecules of paint.

 

[LT4-FUN]

I have heard a lot about this Zaino polish and most here seem to agree its the best. Where do you get it beside's the web site? I would like to try it out. Right now I use mothers or maguires with a follow up of show shine. Thanks in advance.

 

[JJS]

LT4-Fun
Do yourself a favor and try Collinite's Marque D'Ellegance carnuba wax. Get the one in the can (paste-the also have liquid). I tried it after someone on this website recommended it, and now I won't use anything else.....oh yeah, you'll have to order it online. -John

 

[LT4-FUN]

Thanks John, I will look into it. Always like to try new products. BTW, I still love that 71 of yours. Ahh, 1 day lol.

 

[JJU]

I have heard a lot about this Zaino polish and most here seem to agree its the best. Where do you get it beside's the web site? I would like to try it out. Right now I use mothers or maguires with a follow up of show shine. Thanks in advance.

You can also get it through Eckler's or through a distributor (if there is one in your area). You can call the Zaino hotline to find out if there is one in your area.

If you are used to a carnauba-based product, it's a different paradigm. You won't be disappointed. You're immediate benefit will be 3 times the durability.

 

[AUSSIEVETTEMAN]

Please use the Carnuba wax!

We have a historic car collector here in Australia who has developed their own car care range. The reason was that they purchased eveything on the market, including some very expensive European brands and all the American brands and except for some of these expensive brands, the others didn't test too good and contained harmful silicones.
They started out only producing enough to look after their historic car collection - a good $18 million +

The story goes that they have a '65 Rustang which they restored some years ago. Their panel shop told them to use this great product on their stang. That product was Meguires. After years of using this product, they noticed a white ghosting effect in the paint on the bonnet. What had happened was the polish had made its way through the paint layer and was sitting between the base coat and the metal panel. The polish was reacting with this panel and causing this effect. They had it tested by an independant paint expert and he confirmed this effect and said the car would need to be resprayed.

The result is their new care car range - www.bowdensown.com.au

Their products do not contain any silicones, which is good as it doesn't leave that annoying white film after polishing. I have used their entire system and found it to really produce a deep polish and really clean the old paint on our Vette. They also recommend microfibre cloths over lambs wool, and also not using ANY car covers!
I have seen their car collection with our Corvette Club and may I say it is the sweetest collection I have seen for a while, well apart from the Corvettes parked in the car park at their estate! Especially that $2 Million GT40.

I know you will not get this product as it is only sold through them or at Autobarn here in Australia. You can order it from their website though.

I totally recommend this product.

Cheers

Tony

 

[XLR8]

Zaino for me!

My reason for not using wax is based more on science, I guess: I live in the deep south, and the heat and humidity are hard on wax. I could wash and wax my car, and after a hot day and a rainstorm, it would be filthy. Everything sticks to wax in this type of environment. At least that has been my experience.

I recently tried Zaino and I'm sold on it! The initial preparation and application was time consuming because I had never used a claybar on my car. But after only 1 coat of polish and 1 coat of detailer it looks great! I took some photos of my car and was amazed at the reflection in the paint. I can look at the surface of my car and clearly make out items 20 to 30 feet away.

Here's a photo I took yesterday. It looks great though it has been a week since I washed it, and we've had 2 days of rain this week!

Jane Ann

 

[JoeMackin]

Hey Six Shooter

What was the detailer wax that you were talking about in another thread? Do you like it better than the NXT?

 

[XLR8]

Love that Zaino!

 

[6 Shooter]

Hey Six Shooter - What was the detailer wax that you were talking about in another thread? Do you like it better than the NXT?

TurtleWax Platinum Series Ultra Gloss Detailer is the best detailer I've used...​

... and Meguiars NXT Generation™ Tech Wax is my wax of choice. ​

Later . . . . . .
6 Shooter​

 

[Yoda]

Dwayne and here all along I thought all that paint job needed was fresh battery's :eek as I run for cover

Bud

 

[6 Shooter]

and here all along I thought all that paint job needed was fresh battery's...

It was but the cost of batteries went up!