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Complete Power Steering Setup for sale

Evolution1980

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(Topic Change) Steeroids conversion details

I just replaced my fully functioning OEM power steering setup with an aftermarket rack & pinion setup. I'm selling the OEM setup as is, complete with everything including tierods (but no power steering pump). It is a completely bolt-up installation and you won't even need an alignment done since none of it has been altered during removal. I'm letting you guys know about it first before I put it up on eBay.
 
VBP said:
If you don't sell the complete setup, give us a call @ 800-237-9991 or write back and we will definitely buy the power steering control valve and cylinder. Thanks in advance.

Alan G.
Vette Brakes & Products, Inc.
:L You guys shoulda mentioned it as an optional core trade-in... I bought my Steeroids from you guys! :L
 
VBP said:
If you don't sell the complete setup, give us a call @ 800-237-9991 or write back and we will definitely buy the power steering control valve and cylinder. Thanks in advance.

Alan G.
Vette Brakes & Products, Inc.
What's your offer for the cores? Who's paying the shipping?
 
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(in the Q & A section of the auction, my reply even gives a little nod to the CAC. :D)
 
Evolution1980, I also purchased the steriods from VBP but have not put them in yet. I thought that I would drive now and install this winter as a project.

Can you give me any info on the difficulty and time for the project? Any tips or tricks?
thanks,
Glenn
 
WARVET said:
Can you give me any info on the difficulty and time for the project? Any tips or tricks?
Asketh and ye shall receiveth. Here's the reply I sent to VB&P about the installation. Note, that this is specific to my car. It may be different under the hood of a '75, however, we both have smallblocks so it might be the same.

-= Andre =-

Notes Regarding the Steeroids package for my 1980:
1) The hollow aluminum tube that connects between the
u-joints is supposed to be notched so the setscrews
seat into it. It was not notched on either end. This
required EVER SO CAREFULLY getting a drill in there to
notch the tube when everything was already in place.
This is a very cramped job and not very easy to do
once everything is lined up and in place!
Additionally, with that tube being so light, too much
pressure on the drill and you'll drill right through
the surface.

2) The pressure hose is almost exactly 3" too long.
Between the sharp angle on the hose connector and the
rigidity of the hose, it is essentially impossible to
mount due to it getting in the way of the A-arm
travel. As soon as the car would be down on the
ground, it would hit the hose and likely break it off
or do critical damage to the fitting on the pump. I
had to go out and have a custom high pressure hose
made, along with fittings of the proper size and angle.

3) I took a die grinder and had to notch the frame in
order to have the lowest setscrew (u-joint on the
rack) have clearance for a full rotation.

4) There were extra washers supplied, however they
were the smaller, incorrect size. Unfortunately, at
this time, I don't recall the exact washers needed or
on which parts they were on. I know it was towards
the end of the installation.

5) It seems kinda silly that the tierod sleeves aren't
shaved on both ends for wrenching/adjusting. They
only have the wrench flats on one side, which adds to
the difficulty of adjusting either the inner or outer,
depending if you have them on the inside or outside.

6) The gusset bracket DEFINITELY needs to have some
manual intervention on the part of the enduser.
Although it's nice that they put the extra piece of
steel to align with the frame, it has to be
significantly grinded/filed down so it gives a
seemless mating surface with the frame. This requires
a lot of 'check for fit...shave it...check for
fit...shave it'. Then, to keep it from rusting, we
coated it with rustproofer. This [shaving] is a critical part
that was more or less unmentioned in the
documentation. That bracket is what bears the load of
the pressure on the frame from the rack. If that's
not flush with the frame, eventually you are going to
have wear and slop in the system, and worst case
scenario it will break. Years ago, this actually
occured with my OEM setup I had. The frame itself
actually tore with the bracket still attached, which
caused the pump piston to snap over a bumpy corner.

7) The drivers side bracket which holds the steering
shaft support bearing... If that tab that carries the
support bearing was rounded off instead of being
squared on the ends, it would make the adjustment of
the pinch nuts way way easier, not to mention less
dangerous because of the sharp corners. When
wrenching down on those nuts, the amount of
turn/leverage that you can get from a wrench big
enough to fit them is damn near zero, due to space
constraints.
Having the edges rounded off on that tab would not
incur any loss of rigidity or supporting strength.

...That's all I can think of right now. If you want
pictures, I suppose I could supply some.
 
Thanks Andre, sounds like you found quite a few little things. How do you like the difference? Hope it's worth it.
Glenn
 
WARVET said:
Thanks Andre, sounds like you found quite a few little things. How do you like the difference? Hope it's worth it.
Glenn
With vettes, there is no aftermarket upgrade (save for engine parts) that are 100% truly "bolt on" replacements. EVERYTHING is going to require a little tweaking here and there. If an installation says "3 hours by a good mechanic", I figure 6 hours to be done correctly by a master mechanic. I'm fortunate (more or less) to have a perfectionist for a mechanic. Sometimes that sucks, sometimes that's good...but regardless...

The difference between the 2 systems? :L :L :L
Night and freakin' day!!

I also had my car aligned at a professionals shop, so I'm sure that adds to it. But MAN! I told them that I wanted the car setup for high speed, straight line driving, i.e., top speed runs.
WOW!!!!
Bump steer? GONE!
Front end float/lightness? GONE!
Slop in the steering wheel? GONE!

The first that thing came to mind was "go kart". This darts exactly like a go kart does. A little left-right-left on the steering wheel and the car just darts around like a kid with A.D.D. It's amazing the difference. It also is said to save about 12lbs overall on the front end.

The only thing I don't like, and this is due to the alignment and NOT the rack & pinion, is that it's harder (slightly) to do slow turns. But that's just the alignment. If I had 'em configure it for autocross, I'd have quick, slow-speed steering but at a loss of some top end stability.

Oh yeah...it's a two-man job. You cannot do it yourself! You have to at least have a second person turning the wheel when you start to align the u-joints. There will be binding in the joints initially. You need to work those out. Oh yeah (another one), I forgot to mention that my mechanic had to shave the inner walls of the u-joints that were binding the most.
 
Thanks again Andre. Your's is the most complete discription that I've heard regarding this. In fact there was a corvette magazine articale not long ago about this upgrade and they didn't mention any of these things.
Glenn
 
WARVET said:
there was a corvette magazine articale not long ago about this upgrade and they didn't mention any of these things.
Of course...it's like Monster Garage. Take any piece of shiz car and in 22 minutes + commercials breaks and it turns into a dream machine!
Magazines have to fit their entire review into a couple paragrahs/pages. They aren't going to make it look like it's as difficult as it is. Especially if it's a free product from a vendor or advertiser. Also, each year vette and configuration will be a little different. Some cars will be harder than others. Conversely, some will be easier! I can only tell you what I found with mine. "Things to watch out for"...

When I say (or they write) "...we had a to spend a little time filing down the bracket to sit flush with the frame..." well, that's one sentance in the article. They never say, "We spent 80 minutes filing, fitting, filing some more, fitting, filing a wee bit more, fitting, filing just a wee wee bit more...". They summarize their 80 minutes by saying, "You want to make sure you file it down so it sits flush. This is important because..." Where's the part about, "...it could take over an hour for this one little step"? Omitted by the editor :eyerole And a lot of it is how minute is the attention to detail. Is it just close or is it perfect??? My mechanic doesn't settle for anything less than perfect. "Good enough" doesn't exist in his vocab. "Good enough" means he tears it all down and starts over. :L
 
I just installed the same setup in my 70. I have not had it aligned yet but I can tell you that there is ZERO slop in this setup and it did drive like a go-cart when I took it out for a test drive. I too had to do a little massaging on the brackets on the drivers side. I did the installation by myself. You can do it but a helper at times would be a great asset. By far the hardest part for me was adjusting the angles to get the binding out of the u-joints. What I wound up doing was loosening the bolts that hold the steering column under the dash and at the firewall. I pushed the column towards the center of the engine compartment and held it there while my son tightened the bolts under the column. This held the splined end of the steering column more in a verticle line with the steeroids rack. This one thing got rid of most of the binding. I wish there had been a note about this in the installation instructions. Do not worry about this being a hard job to do as it is not very difficult. You will be pleased with the results.
Now I have to get mine aligned and get to driving the thing.

Sorry to hijack your for sale thread, as I saw you had a complete power steering setup for sale and I was curious because I have the old setup out in the garage in the Steeroids box also.
 
Thanks Eddie, that's good info too. I'm looking forward to getting it in for next spring, but not looking forward to the work this winter. Everyone's comments will help smooth out the process. Thanks again.

Will it help to use a lift? My friend next door has one that I can borrow, but don't want to impose if it can be done on stands.
 
No worries about hijacking the thread. The info here is more important than he auction itself.

I had to do the same thing with the steering column (pulling the wheel in about .75" towards the driver) to relieve binding in the u-joints. As stated we also shaved a bit inside the joints.
They also state in the instructions as being important ('cause it IS!) is to be sure to get the u-joints in phase.

You can do the install on jack stands. In fact, it's probably easier so you can easily go from an under-car view to a top-down view as necessary.

For anyone following along and is curious, the rack is the one used on the GM J-body (Cavalier) platform.
 
Eddie 70 said:
...I saw you had a complete power steering setup for sale and I was curious because I have the old setup out in the garage in the Steeroids box also.
The auction ended with a bid of $355. I was happy with that. I think it was a good deal for both parties. The guy that bought it was looking to a conversion to P/S on his '63 (I think it was) and enough of the parts carried over to make it worth his while.
 
Sounds like you both got a pretty good deal to me.
 

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