It is US against them, a call to arms!
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Trance_LT4
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I've been working on my LT4 since day one of owning it. I'll be damned it any ricer is gonna show me his taillights. I am young, and I am very liberal with the amount of throttle I use on a daily basis. I drive near the edge everyday, so when I'm racing somone its not that different from my usual routine. However, I know this is not the case for alot of corvette drivers, who just want to cruise. I URGE YOU, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE......don't tarnish our high reputation by doing anything half-way. Either go all out, and have that annoying honda next to you sucking tailpipe, or laugh and wave him by. There are a few mildly quick ricers out there, and if you simply play with em, and let em go, you will be giving an undeserving kid the joy of having beaten an american icon.
I'll be out there upholding our good name as performance vehicles, will you?
I'll be out there upholding our good name as performance vehicles, will you?
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sscam69
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I hear ya!!
sscam69
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vettl83
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Trance LT4, I'm with you all the way just pick and choose your races carefully. Factoring in traffic, time, location, and status of local law enforcement, in other words take a good 360 degree look around you. Happy hunting 91 ZR1 Red/Saddle #2039
Mad-Mic
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AMEN Brother Trance!!!!
AMEN Brother Trance!!!!
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us vs them a call to arms!!!
This is one of the best kill stories I have read up to now. I got this from LS1.com. They have a pretty big kill stories section, I surf there a lot of the time.
Anyways there was some profane language, I tried to edit it the best that I could and I hope I didn't miss anything. ENJOY!!!
Well the weather held out long enough for us to make a pass Saturday night. After a fun filled day of house work I spend the early evening prepping the SS for a run. About 11pm I got with a friend of mine and we went down to Texaco to meet up with the kid and the VR6. my buddy had his old school camcorder (the big old VCR type ones that look like a news crew camera). Upon arrival at the Texaco we noticed about 15 cars sitting in the lot in various stages of primer body kits, wings the space shuttle would be proud of, and stickers covering most of them. I park the car and walk over to the kid with the VR6, that must have been in full race mode, stunna pants included.
ME: Are you ready to do this? I want to get it over with before this group of idots attracts to much attention.
HIM: I want to see under your hood.
ME: You called me out and now youre asking to see under MY hood! Not a chance. Besides its just an LS1.
HIM: Those tires arent the same ones you had on it when I saw it the other day.
ME: Yea I got a flat on my other set (refering to my street tires), These taller ones slow down a bit out of the hole(thats when ellis walked off because he was laughing), Do you really think you can beat me?
HIM: UH YEAH! its just a piece of crap camaro? Are you gonna make this an "interesting" race?
ME: Youve raced to many V-6's havent you. Pulling 1500.00 out of my pocket "can you back this?"
HIM: WHAT IS THAT?
ME: 15 hundred dollar bills, I take it you dant have that kind of money.
HIM: I'll do 500.00
ME: Sold! Lets go.
We head to our cars and start out for the monroe stretch. There were to many cars on the road in our area. On the way there Ellis was talking to me "Is this kid serious?" "I guess so" "you gonna smoke him" "of course". When we reached the stretch where we going to run we get out and meet again. I told him to tell all of his little"G" buddy's to turn thier frekin music off before the locals call the cops. I told him "Remember the idea is NOT to have the cops show up"
HIM: thats ok I'll be long gone by the time they get here. They will be to busy writing you a ticket for being to slow.
ME: Is that right. Well lets make this real interesting. You win I give you 1500.00, I win you give me you 500.00 AND I get to take that pretty little girl home.
*NOTE*: My wife would file for divorce in a heartbeat if she even heard me talking like this, but I was just having fun with the guy.
HIM: ARE YOU WHACK OUT OF YOUR SKULL? (something to that effect)
NOW GET THIS!!!!
HER: go ahead baby you can beat him. Take it.
My jaw about it the ground when she said that
ME: OK She rides with me during the pass that way there is no backing out of it.
HIM: no deal
ME:fine no race
HIM: shaking his head, get in his car girl!
*NOTE: She couldnt have been but 19 or so and was a fine specimen of the female species
Ellis as usuall rode down to the end of the pass and held the cash with of of the VR6's friends. On the way over to the guys car I heard him say "Man his girl is going to think she has been in a real car after Boyce is done with her."
LET THE FUN BEGIN!
I get in the car and tell the girl to buckle up.
HER: Youre going to get your car crushed by chriss VW. He just put his cat back system on it and it rocks.
ME: SUURE honey, what ever you say. You flexable? I hope so. Speaking of the G force I was about to put on her....(I left it at that just to make her think)
I reach inder my console and opened my cutout so I would be on open pipes. Turn they accy. power on only just so everyone around would hear the T-REX fuel pump charging the lines. It drew immediate attention from anyone the heard it.
HER: what was that?
ME: Biggest fuel pump youve ever seen
thats when I turned the key to feed the beast. It came to life with a roar and about make the girl wet her pants. the kid in the VR6 looked over immediatly and just stared. I rolled down my widnow and made a circle with my forefinger with one hand and started giving the thumbs up with the other. I think he knew what was coming.
I pulled out on to the street next to him, hit the line lock and proceeded to heat the tires up. It must have been the valley we were in because the SS sounded like the worst thunder storm you ever heard. I could see a couple people on the side of the road hold thier hands over thier ears and the poor girl looked white as a ghost. When I let go of the button the car slowly started to move forward and I relesed the throttle. The tires grabbed and jerked forward snapping the girls head back in the seat (I find out later that her name was Amy). I backed the car up and you could hear it loping through the pipes. Amy was almost expresionless, I think she was begining to picture herself as a Camaro test pilot. Thats when I hit the purge, Amy let out a little scream. She definatly didnt see that one coming! I swear you could have heard a pin drop outside when I purged. It was like time slowed down and everything was blurred, people outside the car staring in awe, shaking thier heads pointing at homey in the VR6 and making slapping motions with thier hands.
I pulled up to the line and waited for homeslice to pull up. He sat back about 3 car lengths and did nothing. So I rolled my window down and yelled " get up here and take your medicine mother lover". He reved a couple of times and pulled up. Thats when Amy said "I dont think I want to ride with you" "to late now sugar, were about to get waved". the starter lined us up, gave us the thumbs up, lifted his arms, look at us one more time and dropped them.
I just sat there for a second. I let the VR6 get about 3 lengths on me. Amy looked over at me with a confused look on her face. I brought the revs up to 3500 and sidestepped the clutch. WHAM! Amy was slammed back in her seat like someone had thrown a wrecking ball at her. I didnt stall to the full 4500 because I wasnt sure how I would hook. Just so you know, yea..... it was a nitrous launch. I pulled second and the front end got real light, and could tell I was going suck the doors off the VW when I went by it. I was making up ground on this guy so fast it really looked like he wasnt even moving. Poor Amy looked like she had already soiled her skivveys. Shift light comes on again, 3rd gear. As soon as I pulled it and stomped on it again I blasted past the VW. All Amy could do was say "WE'RE MOVING". I passed him fast enough that it suprised him. I could tell he wasnt expecting me to catch him that fast because I could see him swerve after I went by him. I think I might have pulled a layer of paint off of his car when I went by him. I hammered 4th and didnt let out of the throttle, Revs were starting to push the 5K area and climbing. All I know is I had an ocean of distance on the kid already. We blew buy Ellis and the other guy and shut down. I made sure I blocked both lanes when I stopped so he couldnt get by. I must have been sitting there for a while because I had enough time to turn on my fans, close the bottle (NX switch, not getting out and shutting it) and put in a dip. Amy still sat there with a blank look on her face.
Well homie finally showed up and got out of his car. Ellis walked over with the other friend and ellis have the guy his 500.00 and said "you talked the talk, now give him the cash"
ME: I thought that thing was fast and furious or something, BLING BLING!
HIM: forget you
ME: Actually, that is what Amy will be doing in an your or so, forgetting YOU.
HIM: What if I dont give you the cash
ME: Ellis and I tap dance on your head till you do
HIM: I aint givin it up
ME: That would not be the wisest decision you ever made.
HIM: Forget You
ME: You dont want me to make Ellis take the money back. I dont think your 100 pound friend is going to make a difference for you, GIVE ME THE MONEY !
After some convincing he finally gave the cash up. HE waved at Amy to get out of the car, she looked at him and said "no thanks, I am staying here".
ME: Looks like you lost twice tonight my friend.
HIM: FORGET YOU!
ME: Wow youve made it past the third grade, you seem to have a 2 word vocabulary.
He just turned around, got in his car with his stunna friend and drove off calling Amy a scum bag.
Ellis and I walked over to the car and hoped in. Thats when Amy introduced herself. Then began telling me how much ofa looser the guy was and she was only with him for transportation. We started to head home and made some small talk about the SS. (I was far from serious but needed to teach this little girl a lesson).
HER:"Well I am sure not really interested in me"
ME: "Just needed to make the race interesting"
HER: "Well, I am not into married guys"
ME:"shouldnt have let him make that bet"
I finally told her that I had no intentions of doing that when she started looking a bit scared. I also told her dont ever write checks with you mouth that your body cant cash (literally). I basically made her feel like slime for a while and told her that she wasnt the smartest person in the world because there are alot of people out there that would have forced her to make good on her end of the deal.
We dropped her off at the texaco and told her how lucky she was for having gotten a ride in a real car.
Ellis and I headed to the house laughing and talking about how stupid people are now days and watch the replay on of the video. The video turned out like junk, you can barely make out anything except headlights then me bombing past another set of headlights and a buch of engine noise. We will have to convert the tape over to digital to get it on the computer. Once I do I will have someone host it so I can post it.
cliff notes: Kid in a VR6 talked a ton of smack, gets his rear bumper handed to him
Not all conversation is word for word, its the best I could remember it. Also many details were left out about making her pay up on her end for obvious sensorship resons that would more than likely cause this thread to be locked.
***Note***I made some revisions to this story as well as the previous editing. - Thanks, Chris
This is one of the best kill stories I have read up to now. I got this from LS1.com. They have a pretty big kill stories section, I surf there a lot of the time.
Anyways there was some profane language, I tried to edit it the best that I could and I hope I didn't miss anything. ENJOY!!!
Well the weather held out long enough for us to make a pass Saturday night. After a fun filled day of house work I spend the early evening prepping the SS for a run. About 11pm I got with a friend of mine and we went down to Texaco to meet up with the kid and the VR6. my buddy had his old school camcorder (the big old VCR type ones that look like a news crew camera). Upon arrival at the Texaco we noticed about 15 cars sitting in the lot in various stages of primer body kits, wings the space shuttle would be proud of, and stickers covering most of them. I park the car and walk over to the kid with the VR6, that must have been in full race mode, stunna pants included.
ME: Are you ready to do this? I want to get it over with before this group of idots attracts to much attention.
HIM: I want to see under your hood.
ME: You called me out and now youre asking to see under MY hood! Not a chance. Besides its just an LS1.
HIM: Those tires arent the same ones you had on it when I saw it the other day.
ME: Yea I got a flat on my other set (refering to my street tires), These taller ones slow down a bit out of the hole(thats when ellis walked off because he was laughing), Do you really think you can beat me?
HIM: UH YEAH! its just a piece of crap camaro? Are you gonna make this an "interesting" race?
ME: Youve raced to many V-6's havent you. Pulling 1500.00 out of my pocket "can you back this?"
HIM: WHAT IS THAT?
ME: 15 hundred dollar bills, I take it you dant have that kind of money.
HIM: I'll do 500.00
ME: Sold! Lets go.
We head to our cars and start out for the monroe stretch. There were to many cars on the road in our area. On the way there Ellis was talking to me "Is this kid serious?" "I guess so" "you gonna smoke him" "of course". When we reached the stretch where we going to run we get out and meet again. I told him to tell all of his little"G" buddy's to turn thier frekin music off before the locals call the cops. I told him "Remember the idea is NOT to have the cops show up"
HIM: thats ok I'll be long gone by the time they get here. They will be to busy writing you a ticket for being to slow.
ME: Is that right. Well lets make this real interesting. You win I give you 1500.00, I win you give me you 500.00 AND I get to take that pretty little girl home.
*NOTE*: My wife would file for divorce in a heartbeat if she even heard me talking like this, but I was just having fun with the guy.
HIM: ARE YOU WHACK OUT OF YOUR SKULL? (something to that effect)
NOW GET THIS!!!!
HER: go ahead baby you can beat him. Take it.
My jaw about it the ground when she said that
ME: OK She rides with me during the pass that way there is no backing out of it.
HIM: no deal
ME:fine no race
HIM: shaking his head, get in his car girl!
*NOTE: She couldnt have been but 19 or so and was a fine specimen of the female species
Ellis as usuall rode down to the end of the pass and held the cash with of of the VR6's friends. On the way over to the guys car I heard him say "Man his girl is going to think she has been in a real car after Boyce is done with her."
LET THE FUN BEGIN!
I get in the car and tell the girl to buckle up.
HER: Youre going to get your car crushed by chriss VW. He just put his cat back system on it and it rocks.
ME: SUURE honey, what ever you say. You flexable? I hope so. Speaking of the G force I was about to put on her....(I left it at that just to make her think)
I reach inder my console and opened my cutout so I would be on open pipes. Turn they accy. power on only just so everyone around would hear the T-REX fuel pump charging the lines. It drew immediate attention from anyone the heard it.
HER: what was that?
ME: Biggest fuel pump youve ever seen
thats when I turned the key to feed the beast. It came to life with a roar and about make the girl wet her pants. the kid in the VR6 looked over immediatly and just stared. I rolled down my widnow and made a circle with my forefinger with one hand and started giving the thumbs up with the other. I think he knew what was coming.
I pulled out on to the street next to him, hit the line lock and proceeded to heat the tires up. It must have been the valley we were in because the SS sounded like the worst thunder storm you ever heard. I could see a couple people on the side of the road hold thier hands over thier ears and the poor girl looked white as a ghost. When I let go of the button the car slowly started to move forward and I relesed the throttle. The tires grabbed and jerked forward snapping the girls head back in the seat (I find out later that her name was Amy). I backed the car up and you could hear it loping through the pipes. Amy was almost expresionless, I think she was begining to picture herself as a Camaro test pilot. Thats when I hit the purge, Amy let out a little scream. She definatly didnt see that one coming! I swear you could have heard a pin drop outside when I purged. It was like time slowed down and everything was blurred, people outside the car staring in awe, shaking thier heads pointing at homey in the VR6 and making slapping motions with thier hands.
I pulled up to the line and waited for homeslice to pull up. He sat back about 3 car lengths and did nothing. So I rolled my window down and yelled " get up here and take your medicine mother lover". He reved a couple of times and pulled up. Thats when Amy said "I dont think I want to ride with you" "to late now sugar, were about to get waved". the starter lined us up, gave us the thumbs up, lifted his arms, look at us one more time and dropped them.
I just sat there for a second. I let the VR6 get about 3 lengths on me. Amy looked over at me with a confused look on her face. I brought the revs up to 3500 and sidestepped the clutch. WHAM! Amy was slammed back in her seat like someone had thrown a wrecking ball at her. I didnt stall to the full 4500 because I wasnt sure how I would hook. Just so you know, yea..... it was a nitrous launch. I pulled second and the front end got real light, and could tell I was going suck the doors off the VW when I went by it. I was making up ground on this guy so fast it really looked like he wasnt even moving. Poor Amy looked like she had already soiled her skivveys. Shift light comes on again, 3rd gear. As soon as I pulled it and stomped on it again I blasted past the VW. All Amy could do was say "WE'RE MOVING". I passed him fast enough that it suprised him. I could tell he wasnt expecting me to catch him that fast because I could see him swerve after I went by him. I think I might have pulled a layer of paint off of his car when I went by him. I hammered 4th and didnt let out of the throttle, Revs were starting to push the 5K area and climbing. All I know is I had an ocean of distance on the kid already. We blew buy Ellis and the other guy and shut down. I made sure I blocked both lanes when I stopped so he couldnt get by. I must have been sitting there for a while because I had enough time to turn on my fans, close the bottle (NX switch, not getting out and shutting it) and put in a dip. Amy still sat there with a blank look on her face.
Well homie finally showed up and got out of his car. Ellis walked over with the other friend and ellis have the guy his 500.00 and said "you talked the talk, now give him the cash"
ME: I thought that thing was fast and furious or something, BLING BLING!
HIM: forget you
ME: Actually, that is what Amy will be doing in an your or so, forgetting YOU.
HIM: What if I dont give you the cash
ME: Ellis and I tap dance on your head till you do
HIM: I aint givin it up
ME: That would not be the wisest decision you ever made.
HIM: Forget You
ME: You dont want me to make Ellis take the money back. I dont think your 100 pound friend is going to make a difference for you, GIVE ME THE MONEY !
After some convincing he finally gave the cash up. HE waved at Amy to get out of the car, she looked at him and said "no thanks, I am staying here".
ME: Looks like you lost twice tonight my friend.
HIM: FORGET YOU!
ME: Wow youve made it past the third grade, you seem to have a 2 word vocabulary.
He just turned around, got in his car with his stunna friend and drove off calling Amy a scum bag.
Ellis and I walked over to the car and hoped in. Thats when Amy introduced herself. Then began telling me how much ofa looser the guy was and she was only with him for transportation. We started to head home and made some small talk about the SS. (I was far from serious but needed to teach this little girl a lesson).
HER:"Well I am sure not really interested in me"
ME: "Just needed to make the race interesting"
HER: "Well, I am not into married guys"
ME:"shouldnt have let him make that bet"
I finally told her that I had no intentions of doing that when she started looking a bit scared. I also told her dont ever write checks with you mouth that your body cant cash (literally). I basically made her feel like slime for a while and told her that she wasnt the smartest person in the world because there are alot of people out there that would have forced her to make good on her end of the deal.
We dropped her off at the texaco and told her how lucky she was for having gotten a ride in a real car.
Ellis and I headed to the house laughing and talking about how stupid people are now days and watch the replay on of the video. The video turned out like junk, you can barely make out anything except headlights then me bombing past another set of headlights and a buch of engine noise. We will have to convert the tape over to digital to get it on the computer. Once I do I will have someone host it so I can post it.
cliff notes: Kid in a VR6 talked a ton of smack, gets his rear bumper handed to him
Not all conversation is word for word, its the best I could remember it. Also many details were left out about making her pay up on her end for obvious sensorship resons that would more than likely cause this thread to be locked.
***Note***I made some revisions to this story as well as the previous editing. - Thanks, Chris
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wolf_walker
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I would still love to see that video, and I think I would have paid a few bucks to see it live....
Nice to know that street racing isnt dead, and that something with a real motor is still out there doing it.
When I was youg there were guys that brought there street racing cars in on TRAILERS! Big money went down on ocasion, I even got to drive for a few guys. Ahh, them were the days..
Nice to know that street racing isnt dead, and that something with a real motor is still out there doing it.
When I was youg there were guys that brought there street racing cars in on TRAILERS! Big money went down on ocasion, I even got to drive for a few guys. Ahh, them were the days..
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89ZZ4
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Wolf: Street racing is alive and well in the Chicago area. Last Friday after work I took off the 2nd coat of Zaino I had applied and my neighbor who lives behind me drove by down the block in this beautiful silver LS1 Z28 with a high rise hood. This guy and his wife had moved in last fall but he's not out in the yard much so I haven't introduced myself yet. I've seen the car out once or twice this spring driving around the subdivision I live in and it sounds healthy. Three weeks ago he brought home an enclosed car trailer and suburban. I drove my vette around the block and parked just behind the trailer as he had just loaded the car up. We talked for about an hour. He liked the vette and my new motor but I found out his car (2001) with 3,000 miles on it he bought new and all he does with it is STREET RACE. Me I can't afford to buy a new car - gut it - redo the trans - rear end - etc -etc. I guess they make all the arrangements over the internet. I understand there's lots of 9 second street racers around. I asked him if he ever runs at the track and he said no - street only for money. Well I'll have to stop over one of these evenings when he's working on the car and get a real look-see. I'll just stick with cruising myself although I would'nt mind kicking some butt if the opportunity presented itself. "Save the wave!"
Phil aka (89ZZ4)
Phil aka (89ZZ4)
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sscam69
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OH its alive and well here in El Paso
The latest rave is this private air strip just outside of the city. You can race for five bucks. No rules you against whoever you want to race. Its as close to illegal street racing without the illegal part of it. Even though that still goes on.
Frank
The latest rave is this private air strip just outside of the city. You can race for five bucks. No rules you against whoever you want to race. Its as close to illegal street racing without the illegal part of it. Even though that still goes on.
Frank
Redbob
Well-known member
I don't think there's any lack of information or lack of consensus on what it takes to make an SBC go fast.
Go to Lingenfelter or TPI Specialties for all the information you can handle.
Or afford.
The simple fact is, so many tuners work on Mustangs because there are literally millions of them out there, and they're cheap - to start with.
For Corvettes, OTOH, 25,000 cars was a REALLY good year, and there have only been just over a million sold total, all years.
So if you want to hotrod a Corvette, and can't afford to have Rippie, Lingenfelter, or TPI do it for you, you're going to have to be a lot smarter than the average Mustang owner.
Fortunately, that's not too hard!
Go to Lingenfelter or TPI Specialties for all the information you can handle.
Or afford.
The simple fact is, so many tuners work on Mustangs because there are literally millions of them out there, and they're cheap - to start with.
For Corvettes, OTOH, 25,000 cars was a REALLY good year, and there have only been just over a million sold total, all years.
So if you want to hotrod a Corvette, and can't afford to have Rippie, Lingenfelter, or TPI do it for you, you're going to have to be a lot smarter than the average Mustang owner.
Fortunately, that's not too hard!
Mad-Mic
Gone but not forgotten
sbc against a sbf
for most ford owners after they spend the bolt on money (exhaust, chip, rear gears, throttle body, cam ect.......) they still don't get the performance to really run with the big boys, , corvettes cammy's and T/A's, with out getting into serious head work and or full motor rebuild (steel crank, forged rods, forged pistons, ported and polished aftermarket heads) for us we actually got it better when it comes to per $ to per horsepower. ask a rustang owner with alot of mods thats running 12 sec range how much he spent then subtract about 3 grand from that for a sbc....lol :L thats why you see a ton of rustangs running nitrous but how long does that last with a 250 shot pill in it on a stock crank and heads? NOT LONG :L OBD II guys got it much harder with modding. I remember reading popular hotrodding when the OBD II ecm came out in the 93 cammy z/28 and their test mule showed that basic bolt on mods even when chipped that GM somehow burned a fingerprint on how the motor runs stock, so when these guys did the mods after a week or 2 the ecm pulled that fingerprint and it showed on the dyno running back to basically stock specs. I've been out of the street rodding area since about 95 till now so i don't know how they worked around it. The article was about hopping up a 93 Z/28 OBD II car in the 12's......i'll have to dig it out
for most ford owners after they spend the bolt on money (exhaust, chip, rear gears, throttle body, cam ect.......) they still don't get the performance to really run with the big boys, , corvettes cammy's and T/A's, with out getting into serious head work and or full motor rebuild (steel crank, forged rods, forged pistons, ported and polished aftermarket heads) for us we actually got it better when it comes to per $ to per horsepower. ask a rustang owner with alot of mods thats running 12 sec range how much he spent then subtract about 3 grand from that for a sbc....lol :L thats why you see a ton of rustangs running nitrous but how long does that last with a 250 shot pill in it on a stock crank and heads? NOT LONG :L OBD II guys got it much harder with modding. I remember reading popular hotrodding when the OBD II ecm came out in the 93 cammy z/28 and their test mule showed that basic bolt on mods even when chipped that GM somehow burned a fingerprint on how the motor runs stock, so when these guys did the mods after a week or 2 the ecm pulled that fingerprint and it showed on the dyno running back to basically stock specs. I've been out of the street rodding area since about 95 till now so i don't know how they worked around it. The article was about hopping up a 93 Z/28 OBD II car in the 12's......i'll have to dig it out
Mad-Mic
Gone but not forgotten
Re: Re: hmmmm........
yeah i'd appreciate that cause i'm about to buy some mod parts big mouth runners ect from another guy that has a mini ram setup. just interested in the non dollar upgrades you were talking about....
thanks maybe we can hook up one weekend soon so you can point that stuff out and maybe give me some tricks that you learned. I'd be much obliged couple mods simple mods i think i can break a 13 sec run
I need to go back to the track now i got my launches down pretty good but stock stall i can only get to about 1800 rpm with the tires warmed up which actually helps on the torque curve coming out the hole with only a 2.59 rear gear
rrubel said:
yeah i'd appreciate that cause i'm about to buy some mod parts big mouth runners ect from another guy that has a mini ram setup. just interested in the non dollar upgrades you were talking about....
thanks maybe we can hook up one weekend soon so you can point that stuff out and maybe give me some tricks that you learned. I'd be much obliged
couple mods simple mods i think i can break a 13 sec run I need to go back to the track now i got my launches down pretty good but stock stall i can only get to about 1800 rpm with the tires warmed up which actually helps on the torque curve coming out the hole with only a 2.59 rear gear
Mad-Mic
Gone but not forgotten
after doing alittle digging.......
i found a site that listed a 77 301 bigblock rebuild kit...
click here for more it's hard to find info on this motor. My friend works at a pontiac dealership and been a poncho freak since day one and i remember talking about my formula to him this was back in 90 or so....
heres some info on the 80 pacecar rep click here for more info
they also did the same engine in 81 also
looks like 79 also...
i found a site that listed a 77 301 bigblock rebuild kit...
click here for more it's hard to find info on this motor. My friend works at a pontiac dealership and been a poncho freak since day one and i remember talking about my formula to him this was back in 90 or so....
heres some info on the 80 pacecar rep click here for more info
they also did the same engine in 81 also
from click here for 80 81 turbo 301 big blocks
looks like 79 also...
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wolf_walker
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I know there was a 301, just it isnt a big block, not in any way. It's little, simple as that.
All the pontiac and oldsmobile and buick engines, weather a 350 or a 455, are externally the same size, and can share many parts with each other(respective to their models). So by the definition of other manufacturers over the years, there are no big and small block's. Example: Chevy, the 283, 327, 350, 400 were all very similer motors, the 454 was totally different, hence, a big block.
Same with Ford.
Parts and info are hard to find on the 301 because other than the turbo version, which is rare, they just didnt perform well, and there was larger and better available. It was better than nothing, but much like the 307 and 305 chevy, there just isnt much of a market for it. And i want to say the 301 had various other problems, it was a totally different motor than the rest of Pontiac's V8's, nothing interchanged, that's another reason you see and hear so little from it.
And the link to the site you sent dosent say anything about big block, just a 301 engine kit....
Not that you cant find references to big and small blocks for Pontiac, people automaticly assume when it's a 400 or better it's a "big block", even though Chevy had a small block 400. That's one of the fun street racer tricks for those motors, leave your 350 valve covers with identifing stickers on your 455 when you swap it in, they'll never see it comeing..
A guy on another message board I follow just bought a 20th aniversary turbo V6 Trans Am, with, get this, 2500 miles on it! It's amazing, he's keeping us all posted on it, very nice to find. With very minor mods it's running in the 13's, and will go lower without much trouble.
All the pontiac and oldsmobile and buick engines, weather a 350 or a 455, are externally the same size, and can share many parts with each other(respective to their models). So by the definition of other manufacturers over the years, there are no big and small block's. Example: Chevy, the 283, 327, 350, 400 were all very similer motors, the 454 was totally different, hence, a big block.
Same with Ford.
Parts and info are hard to find on the 301 because other than the turbo version, which is rare, they just didnt perform well, and there was larger and better available. It was better than nothing, but much like the 307 and 305 chevy, there just isnt much of a market for it. And i want to say the 301 had various other problems, it was a totally different motor than the rest of Pontiac's V8's, nothing interchanged, that's another reason you see and hear so little from it.
And the link to the site you sent dosent say anything about big block, just a 301 engine kit....
Not that you cant find references to big and small blocks for Pontiac, people automaticly assume when it's a 400 or better it's a "big block", even though Chevy had a small block 400. That's one of the fun street racer tricks for those motors, leave your 350 valve covers with identifing stickers on your 455 when you swap it in, they'll never see it comeing..
A guy on another message board I follow just bought a 20th aniversary turbo V6 Trans Am, with, get this, 2500 miles on it! It's amazing, he's keeping us all posted on it, very nice to find. With very minor mods it's running in the 13's, and will go lower without much trouble.
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wolf_walker
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And re: the quote about the 79 bird and the 301 at the bottem of your post. I bet the motor with the side dipstick he's seeing is a 305, they were introduced in the late 70's to Firebirds...
Re: Re: Re: hmmmm........
The miniram is something I'm saving for... but a Big Mouth would be a close second.
Sure. E-mail me privately and we can set something up. I need Capital raceway's schedule also - I want some strip time before I make any more mods (roller rockers, etc) to test what I have.
[RICHR]
Mad-Mic said:
The miniram is something I'm saving for... but a Big Mouth would be a close second.
thanks maybe we can hook up one weekend soon so you can point that stuff out and maybe give me some tricks that you learned. I'd be much obliged
Sure. E-mail me privately and we can set something up. I need Capital raceway's schedule also - I want some strip time before I make any more mods (roller rockers, etc) to test what I have.
[RICHR]
In case anyone was still wondering-
the 301 pontiac engine was a small block that was created by combining two 4 cyl Gm engines togeather. That 4 banger was called the Iron Duke, and was in forgettable cars such as the Pontiac Astre.
So the 301 is actually two 150 cid Iron Dukes. Firebirds of the era, late 70s came with a 301 as a base V8. A total low performance motor.
the 301 pontiac engine was a small block that was created by combining two 4 cyl Gm engines togeather. That 4 banger was called the Iron Duke, and was in forgettable cars such as the Pontiac Astre.
So the 301 is actually two 150 cid Iron Dukes. Firebirds of the era, late 70s came with a 301 as a base V8. A total low performance motor.
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nuke_honda
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Watch out for the little four bangers...most of them are poser cars (dressed-up econo-boxes), but given racebred ones like the Lancer and WRX, they have displacement to power ratios that will make any v-8 motorhead cry.
The new generation Subarus are yielding 0-62 (0-100kph) times of low to mid 5 seconds from a horizontally opposed AWD 4 cylinder.
Imagine the potential from the same layout...except doubled displacement. I read in this concept car magazine that Nissan is actually going to attempt it: Turbocharged 4.0L V8
Production of the Skyline was terminated in Japan (It was a 2.8 inline 6 twin turbo over there) and now seeing how popular it is, they're bringing it to America. Nissan Japan already approved the export. (the magazine said expect it in 2004)
Let's see how much havoc the populus can wreak with that much power!
-Eric
The new generation Subarus are yielding 0-62 (0-100kph) times of low to mid 5 seconds from a horizontally opposed AWD 4 cylinder.
Imagine the potential from the same layout...except doubled displacement. I read in this concept car magazine that Nissan is actually going to attempt it: Turbocharged 4.0L V8
Production of the Skyline was terminated in Japan (It was a 2.8 inline 6 twin turbo over there) and now seeing how popular it is, they're bringing it to America. Nissan Japan already approved the export. (the magazine said expect it in 2004)
Let's see how much havoc the populus can wreak with that much power!
-Eric
Mad-Mic
Gone but not forgotten
it was along time ago when i owned the 77...
all i remember was the heads on that lil motor were HUGE! and a friend of mine was a big poncho fan (owned a 69 400 formula it think )working at a pontiac dealership and i could of swore he called it a 301 big block (which in all actuality a very small big block just by the head size.) i know about the iron duke actually owned one in a 83 cavilier station wagon with a 5 speed. that ole beeter for 600 bucks lasted 130,000 miles before i donated it :L sorry bout the mix up was going from memory was over 12 years ago!
Rich no prob i'll get with ya wed tonight my time is limited tonight just stopped in for a min, but track opens 5 pm to 11 pm friday night test and tune and saturdays for racing i think it opens at 10 am with first round going off at 5 pm. I'll email you tomorrow maybe we can meet up there friday night better yet maybe cecil county sunday, my uncle might make some test runs in the top alky car we got E-Town in 2 weeks We'll talk
all i remember was the heads on that lil motor were HUGE! and a friend of mine was a big poncho fan (owned a 69 400 formula it think )working at a pontiac dealership and i could of swore he called it a 301 big block (which in all actuality a very small big block just by the head size.) i know about the iron duke actually owned one in a 83 cavilier station wagon with a 5 speed. that ole beeter for 600 bucks lasted 130,000 miles before i donated it :L sorry bout the mix up was going from memory
was over 12 years ago! Rich no prob i'll get with ya wed tonight my time is limited tonight just stopped in for a min, but track opens 5 pm to 11 pm friday night test and tune and saturdays for racing i think it opens at 10 am with first round going off at 5 pm. I'll email you tomorrow maybe we can meet up there friday night
better yet maybe cecil county sunday, my uncle might make some test runs in the top alky car we got E-Town in 2 weeks We'll talk
Mad-Mic
Gone but not forgotten
I'm telling ya! i seen a WRX up at the track one night during test and tune. i talked to the guy while his buddy took it for a spin. he said he had 19 lbs of boost cranking in it. this thing will suprise you quick! it ran 14 flat and he said it still had some left....so i'm guessing 13.8 maybe? These guys are catching up!
Oh yeah welcome to CAC Nuke Honda
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