It is US against them, a call to arms!

[Edmond]

I mean, it's really sad that so many people out there are so misinformed. They think just because the Porsche's, Ferrari's and Lambo's cost so much more than the Viper's, Z06's that those European cars will just wipe their @$$'s with the American cars.

Like the ZR1 guys could tell you, it was developed to directly compete with the European big boys. And I'm sure the Viper was somewhat meant to compete with the European dominance in 'super cars.'

 

[DC/NH]

If it's all about straightline speed for a moment then yes you can go in many cheaper directions. I do think the Vette is right up there with the "hand made" euros in regards to performance, handling and drivability.

My point is sticking a bottle on a subaru is just that. The car is not in the same class nor offer the same experience as a high performance sports car.

 

[SPANISHVETTS]

I have owned lots of euro-trash including a Maserati Bi Turbo, a Porsche Carrera 3 and a ´93 850 csi 5.6 Lt/381 HP that cost $79,000. In 93 for 80 grand you could have bought a ZR-1 and have enough change leftover for a down payment on a Miami Beach Condo. Worse still was the mandatory dealer service for the Bmer. It was the problems with this car that made me swear off of European cars.

I can rebuild a L98 for the price of a BMW schedule service.

$ for $ you can not beat the American beast.

I bought the 90 with a hi mileage engine because my favorite engine Guru loves the L98. http://frankiesgarage.com

For $3000 and my 100K mile L98 this is what I got:
Open air box with K&N
58MM TB
Big diameter tubes and matching manifold
Re worked heads and valves with roller rockers
Mild cam idles well at 850 rpm
Custom exhaust
Every thing polished and ported from the air box to the exhaust tips, not one rough or mismatched surface from nose to tail.

Throw in $1500 for a trany rebuild and new 2000 rpm torque converter and I own the complete car for $12,000.

He claims +450 Ft-lb of torque at 3900 rpm. On the dyno at the government test station it is just under 285 rwhp at 5300 rpm. This setup runs out of steam before 6000. I tried a MiniRam. The increase in power/rpms was awesome but not useable with my gearing. (3.07)

I know that there are a lot of better setups but I love this for my driving style. The power is there from take off to top speed, strong and smooth, just like Jim Bean whisky. My daily driving is 40-100MPH with lots of braking and accelerating plus 2 or 3 long trips per month at extremely high speed.

No ricers to race over here however this car runs with the best of the euro-trash for ¼ of the price and 1/10 of the maintenance.

BTW I do not talk bad about the Japs, (see photo), because my car sleeps with ricers and they pay a lot of the bills.

Sorry the car is so dirty, it is raining here and I know the back wheels are on the wrong way. We go through lots of kids on the tire machine, this one just got the wheels on wrong way around, he put them right later.

 

[Edmond]

With the improvements in the WRX and the impending arrival of the Lancer Evo, I think the older Vette's are going to get a serious run for their money.

Call me a traitor, but I wouldn't mind having a WRX to drive myself, not that I would rice it out or anything like that.:L

 

[rrubel]

If you like the WRX STi that's coming, just wait for the new Legacy GT. The STi has 300 hp and 300 lb-ft but the GT is supposed to have even more... in a midsized 5-passenger sedan or wagon. With AWD.
[RICHR]

 

[Topless]

:eek
I seem to have lost my superchanger...I know I had one around here somewhere....


Got to stay ahead of the pack....

 

[89blackvette]

It is simple, sucker the kid in the loud little tin can into a place with a CURVE and then just blow his socks off. Yesterday I had a Honda with one of those weird exhaust things cut in front of me on an on ramp, he just cut me off as we entered the ramp. This ramp has a nice tight right hander then goes to an increasing radius left hand curve. I pressed him a little on the first turn and when he moved high I just drove under him at full song, caught 3rd and then 4th gear and blew him away badly by the end of the ramp. They may be Quick (notice I did not say FAST) but they just toss their cookies in any typw of corner. Any fool can go fast in a straight line but our Vettes were made to handle also, mine is Z51 equiped 89 6 speed.

 

[6 Shooter]

It is simple, sucker the kid in the loud little tin can into a place with a CURVE and then just blow his socks off. Yesterday I had a Honda with one of those weird exhaust things cut in front of me on an on ramp, he just cut me off as we entered the ramp. This ramp has a nice tight right hander then goes to an increasing radius left hand curve. I pressed him a little on the first turn and when he moved high I just drove under him at full song, caught 3rd and then 4th gear and blew him away badly by the end of the ramp. They may be Quick (notice I did not say FAST) but they just toss their cookies in any typw of corner. Any fool can go fast in a straight line but our Vettes were made to handle also, mine is Z51 equiped 89 6 speed.

U got 2 luv a 6 Speed with the Z51 option . . .

 

[89blackvette]

My first Corvette, purchased it about a month ago at a car swap meet. After a couple of relays to get Service engine Light turned off, an alternator, plugs and plug wires it is running good. Will tackle the straight wired fan that runs all the time and the cruise control next. Every boy wants a "Vette" and at 61 I finally have mine and plan to enjoy it a bunch. It is highly equiped with options (except adjustable ride) and handles like a slot car. Yes the 6 speed and Z51 is great.

 

[muddywaters]

First Vette

Congrat's 89 Blackvette on your first vette, I've had five since 1972 and each one was my last, HA! Each time you get behind the wheel it's like the first time, the handling, the power it's great. At this point I wished I kept them all, but I'm happy with my 88. Good luck to you.

 

[SPANISHVETTS]

Have a look at this. They have secret weapons!!!:L

 

[Edmond]

My first Corvette, purchased it about a month ago at a car swap meet. After a couple of relays to get Service engine Light turned off, an alternator, plugs and plug wires it is running good. Will tackle the straight wired fan that runs all the time and the cruise control next. Every boy wants a "Vette" and at 61 I finally have mine and plan to enjoy it a bunch. It is highly equiped with options (except adjustable ride) and handles like a slot car. Yes the 6 speed and Z51 is great.

Congrats! I'll bet the combination of that 6 speed and Z51 is a lot of fun for you! Before you know it, you'll be talking about mods for a little more umphhh!

 

[BLACKTALON]

gotta bring this 1 from the dead!!!

Just had to do it.This thread is a little dusty,since this thread there has been a few cars come out.For starters SRT-4 the STI and a few more. so you guys still fill the same way.Buy now you've modded the hell out of the vettes right. I do agree that most people have a conception that vettes are fast. Far be from me to let down the team.so for me OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!!

 

[Rogue]

Wow! That was an old post. But it's still valid.

L98 C4's will do 0-60 in 6 sec. Sometimes 5 if it's a manual.

LT1 C4's will do 0-60 in 5 sec all day long. 4.5 sec with a good driver and the 6-speed.

LT4's and LT5's are still fairly untouchable I think. So it's the L98's that are the most vulnerable. Unfortunately, I happen to belong in this camp. Mine's even an automatic.

So, if you have an L98, figure on 6 sec to 60. There are lots of cars that will do that now. Let me mention a few, some will surprise some of you:

Dodge SRT4
Mazda Speed 3
WRX STi
Mazda RX8
Lexus ES350
BMW 330i
Infiniti G35
BMW X5

....just to name a few. There are even SUV's that will do that! And figure on ALL large luxury sedans from Europe, Japan, and the USA will do that.

If you have an LT1, figure on 0-60 in 5 sec. Well, there are plenty of cars that will do that. Some even better. Here's a few:

Mustang GT
GTO
BMW 335i (twin turbo)
Audi S4
Porsche Cayman and Cayman S

So yeah. Many high performance cars are knocking on the doors of the C4. Some of them have broken the door down already!

Performance Chevy magazine recently did an article on how to make the L98 produce over 350 hp with over 500 ft. lbs. of torque with almost off the shelf parts: 383 stroker, ported and polished heads (orignal L98 heads), lower manifold, upper plenum (original L98), larger throttle body and intake runners (TPIS), tubular exhaust headers, a camshaft (Crane Cams), and a modified computer. Don't know the cost but probably less than a ZZ350 crate motor?

 

[Black Bart]

Want a recipe for turning your C-4 into a KICK ASS machine ????
This is what I did to mine. I like to think that I'm upholding the Corvette reputation.
I don't have many of the little ricers with their fart can tail pipe bother me but I have had to totally embarrass a lot of Rustangs.

89Black coupe 6spd FX-3 \ Chrome GS Wheels 315\35\17 G-ForceKD's \ SB-406cid\ Procharger D1-R \ 8 Rib pulleys\ Custom built Spearco intercooler \ Spal Fans \ NOS wet nitrous system controlled by jacobs mastermind controller \ Spearco water/alcohol injection system \ TPIS Mini Ram II \ 58mmTB \ AFR heads \ AFR rev kit \ Manley4340 push rods \
Comp cams custom grind roller \ Comp cam lifters \ Comp cams roller rockers 1.6 ratio \ Ross custom pistons 4340 pins \Speed pro rings \ 6 inch eagle 4340 3d rods \ eagle 4340 crank \ fluid balancer \ Cloyes true roller timing chain \ Melling high output oil pump \ 10 qt. multi trap door pan \ large oil cooler \ MSD-Digital-7 ignition\With MSD pro-power coil \ MSD boost retard \ Msd super conductor wires \ Accel DFI Gen.7 W/wide band \ 83lbs injectors \ Centerforce clutch & flywheel \ TPIS jet hot coated headers \ 13 inch rotors C5 calipers w hawk pads \ Air dam with air ducts to brakes \ Triple pillar pod with Autometer gauges \ Air-Fuel \Boost \Fuel Pressure \ lowering kit \Escort radar detector \RM radar jammer.
The difference between men and boy’s is the speed of their toy’s.
IF IT’S NOT BLOWN THEN IT SUCKS

Some engine photos are here
http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=1535340
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[rascal_rascal_99]

IF IT’S NOT BLOWN THEN IT SUCKS
http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?folder_id=1535340

I LOVE IT!!!!! ;worship


Just a few minor upgrades there huh? :naughty: lol

 

[Black Bart]

I LOVE IT!!!!! ;worship


Just a few minor upgrades there huh? :naughty: lol

Rascal glad you like my attempt at humor.

I see you are from Manchester Tennessee that is famous to anyone who ever drove a truck.
Every trucker including myself can remember those #$$**@+## Manchester Scales ad

 

[rascal_rascal_99]

Rascal glad you like my attempt at humor.

I see you are from Manchester Tennessee that is famous to anyone who ever drove a truck.
Every trucker including myself can remember those #$$**@+## Manchester Scales ad

So you have love for Manchester huh? :L

If it's an icy winter lot's of truckers headed south on I24 find themselves getting to spend a little time here since it's the last stop before heading over Monteagle Mountain. If TN Highway patrol shut's down the mountian, there's no easy way around it.

Just curious, is your car obviously noticable for what's in it, or pretty much seem stock until you open it up?

 

[Black Bart]

So you have love for Manchester huh? :L

If it's an icy winter lot's of truckers headed south on I24 find themselves getting to spend a little time here since it's the last stop before heading over Monteagle Mountain. If TN Highway patrol shut's down the mountian, there's no easy way around it.

Just curious, is your car obviously noticable for what's in it, or pretty much seem stock until you open it up?

It looks stock other than the wheels and since most people don't know what came on a Corvette they don't even know that the wheels are different.

I have a lot of guy's in Mudstains that think it is a stock L98 and want to run me.
Not so much locally any more, word soon got around.

These guy's like to pick on 20 year old vettes and then brag about how their 2006 Supercharged 4 cam powered car beat a vette.

For the money that I have in this car I could have bought a new one and had money left over but I wanted to build a real sleeper.

With the modifications to the suspension and the brakes and the G-force KD tires it is not just fast in a straight line but it corners and stops as well.

I built this 406 engine and installed it in the car in the spring of 2000. I had the blower and the nitrous on it when I installed it and 7 years later it is still going strong with no problems.
Well no problems with the engine I corkscrewed a drive shaft but the engine has been reliable.


Here is a link to several photos of it including the engine.
http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i36/blackbart_photos/Duragloss on Vette/?start=all

 

[Rogue]

That's my feeling too.

I would dearly love to get a C5 (still not in love with the C6 looks) Z06. But I can't seem to convince myself to get rid of my 1991. We put so much love and care on the car so we can't fathom the idea of trading her in or selling her. Then, we have this crazy idea of Hot Rodding her up. I love the sleeper, though one can hardly call a C4 Corvette a "sleeper"!

Many people in SoCal love to have the latest and greatest. So, there are tons of C6's running around, as well as Mustang GT's, Porsches, BMW's, MB's, etc. Many of them are very fast. Although most of them do NOT challenge our Vette, some do. They figure it's NOT the latest model but they're not sure how fast it can really go. So most of them don't challenge. Unfortunately, I've had a couple of occassions where I was not able to uphold Corvette pride. Afterall, it does only have 250 bhp! So what my wife and I are discussing is to make our 1991 a hot rodded street terror of south Orange County, CA. We're thinking a 383 stroker, ported and polished heads, intake, but still have a quiet exhaust. So it sounds stock (and hopefully still pass emissions testing). Then, when needed, release 350 bhp and maybe 450 ft. lbs. of torque! It will really surprise a few folks.