painting interior trim panels

[BarryK]

Hi all

what would be the proper paint to paint the interior hard trim panels such as the Halo trim piece along the headliner and the ones that surround the rear window of a '65 coupe?
My '65 JG mentions that they should be a full gloss finish.
Any particular type or brand of paint that is preferable or any gloss finish spray paint ok?

 

[studiog]

Hi Barry,

From experience, don't let anyone talk you into using any of the vinyl paints (dyes) that are out there. I tried several that were recommended for hard plastic/fiberglass/metal interior parts and they don't cover well and have an uneven finish. I would ask Heaven what he used on his interior.

 

[67HEAVEN]

Hi Barry,

I would ask Heaven what he used on his interior.

Krylon Semi-Flat Black, athough I make no representation as to suitability for stock appearance.

 

[firstgear]

Krylon Semi-Flat Black, athough I make no representation as to suitability for stock appearance.

I thought you were going for NCRS top flight judging....I am shocked at your answer.....:L :L

 

[67HEAVEN]

I thought you were going for NCRS top flight judging....I am shocked at your answer.....:L :L

Do you think JohnZ would notice? :gap

 

[BarryK]

Krylon Semi-Flat Black, athough I make no representation as to suitability for stock appearance.

nope, won't work. My '65 JG calls for full gloss finish.

 

[paul67]

Barry,
You are backing-and-forthing between NCRS and driver. What do you want? Those interior dyes work very well when the correct prep is done. I did that job on my 1979. Involves silicone (e.g. ArmorAll) strip with varsol, grey vinyl primer, colour coats, and a semi-gloss transparent finish coat(s). Works very well.

This arm-rest was black when I bought it. Lokks great to this day in Corvette Beige (code 59).

 

[BarryK]

Paul

my car always was and always will be a driver, I just want her to be as nice of a driver car as I can make her within my abilities, 99.5% for MY OWN satisfaction.

Nice door panel, but I'm not talking about the soft trim, I was referring to the hard pieces and they get painted, not dyed

 

[Tom Bryant]

Items like that arm rest are exactly what vinyl dye /paint is intended for. Hard parts like fiberglass and steel are not. The hard trim in your coupe that calls for gloss black would have been painted with acrylic laquer.

Tom

 

[IH2LOSE]

Barry I am not sure of the color but,your going to have trouble getting the paint to stick.We have covered this before.seams every thing in a car has been slathered with armourall and when your refinishing it the amorall is always a problem causing fish eyes no matter how much you sand it.

Look for some of the old post on how to properley prepare the peices for painting

 

[1KULC7]

Barry,

Krylon Semi-Flat Black is very good, but the best stuff out there is SAE Trim Black for painting what you want done.

Mine were quite bad...first thing I did was to order and replace all the screws. Second thing was to patch and fix all the holes that the screws go into. Then redrilled with a smaller bit.

Next was I sanded all the trim down, then primed it with SAE primer, then repainted with SAE Trim Black Spray paint...All the trim came out like brand new...when I painte them I hung each piece from the cieling and made a coat hanger hook to support them when I painted them.....use light coats, do not apply (spay) the paint on thick, thin coat let dry for about 15 mins, thin coat, dry 15 mins, repeat about 4 times, then add final coat next day, let dry, I put them in the sun for about 24 hours...

Hey Barry....don't use a foam cup to put the paint in OK

 

[BarryK]

Larry, I understand what you are saying about Armorall and similar type products. I personally never use them but who knows about prior owners. Something like acetone should clean any residue such as that off the pieces though shouldn't it?

Collin, is the SAE Trim black a glossy finish do you know? My '65 JG calls for the finish to be a full gloss.
Hey, I never used a foam cup on my last screw up - it was a standard plastic cup.

 

[61 Silver]

Hi! Barry
Check the NCRS JG very close; normally there was different sheens used on the interior. The dash area was low sheen because of reflections of light bothering the driver. Other areas are gloss. On my 65 with saddle interior I had three different shades of saddle and two different sheen levels. I purchased PPG lacquer, same as lacquer as exterior and used flattening agent to achieve the look I wanted. I also had a pint of lacquer color matched to the different panels and purchased a different shade that I used for blending the shades. I know this was a little over kill, but it was a good learning experience. I will be researching the 63 SWC interior with in the next few weeks, which is also black and let you know my findings.


Ray

 

[BarryK]

thanks for the info Ray. Right now I'm not planning on any of the panel up front by the dash area, just the halo trim that run up the sides behihe the seats and over the headliner area - the piece that has the overhead interior light on it - and the two side rear pieces that run along the rear window of the coupes. I know the JG said full gloss (unpolished) on them. also, the trim molding on both sides of the headliner are full gloss (unpolished).

if the SAE paint Collin mentioned is a full gloss than i'll usr that otherwise I guess any type of full gloss spray paint will work well enough fro my purposes - it;s just a driver car anyway so doesn't have to be 100% NCRS correct. I just want everything to look good

 

[JL66REDCPE]

Barry -- sometimes the NCRS judging guide does not tell the complete story. For example you say that the 65 JM calls for the interior trim and the halo to be painted full gloss. Although that is true the manual you are looking at probably does not also tell you that it is "unpolished". This equates to Krylon semi-flat black 1613. If you were to show up with your interior trim and halo painted full gloss black -- you would get deductions as they would be too glossy. If you use Krylon 1613 remember not to wax or polish it either as this would also end up being too glossy.

 

[BarryK]

John, I did see where it said unpolished - see my last post.
But you are saying that semi-flat black actually equates to a full gloss (unpolished) finish?! I don't disbelieve you, it's just hard (for me) to understand since I consider semi-flat almost like a matte finish whereas to me a full gloss means a bright, shiney, gloss finish. If you all say semi-flat is what it's suppose to be that that's what i'll get for the paint, it just seems to be different than what the JG is describing. I guess it's just my lack of painting experience that's confusing me regarding the terms used.

 

[Tom Bryant]

Larry, I understand what you are saying about Armorall and similar type products. I personally never use them but who knows about prior owners. Something like acetone should clean any residue such as that off the pieces though shouldn't it?
.

Barry,

When you paint these interior parts that have surely had wax, Armorall or silicon sprayed on them, before you ever touch the surface with sandpaper they must be clean and wax free. Otherwise you just force silicon down into the substrate where it rears it's ugly head later on as fish eyes.

After you remove the parts first wash them thoroughly with hot water and detergent like Tide or Dawn. This will clean off the years of dirt and dust that can cause problems when you are spraying later. Acetone would work ok but I recommend that you go to your automotive paint store and get the right stuff. Prep-Sol or equilivant pre paint cleaner will take off all contaminants.

Use 2 clean rags or shop towels on a roll, the lint free body shop type. Get them when you get the cleaner. Wipe on with one and off with a clean dry one turning frequently. Replace the dry one often. You will be able to see the wax ect. on the surface when it starts to desolve and can tell when it's clean. Then do it one more time.

If you have any doubts by the way the primer looks after you spray it apply a sealer between the primer and top color. I don't know if it's available in spray cans or not but your automotive paint store can fix you up.

Tom

 

[Tom Bryant]

Interior parts that call for a gloss finish were sprayed with laquer and left as sprayed. No buffing.

 

[JL66REDCPE]

Barry -- You were posting your msg at the same time I was writing mine.

I said it equates to Krylon semi-flat black. It may not equate to ALL semi flat black paints. Go look at a top flight 65 car somewhere and see how glossy the halo and other interior trim pieces are.

 

[BarryK]

Tom,thanks for the info - very handy. The Prep-Sol is the same stuff John recommended to me to prep my motor block also and I didn't know where to get it. i'll try the local auto paint supplier. Probably where I got the paint for my cars paint job will have it i suppose.

John, Ok, i understand. I do know how glossy my halo and trim pieces are now (pretty darn glossy). If the Kylon semi-flat is the equivalant to what is currently on my pieces than great. I just wouldn't have expected anything called semi-flat to be that glossy. I guess that's where my confusion was coming from.
i'll get the Krylon semi-flat.