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Ca. Emissions Legal 383 Stroker

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I am planning on building a California emissions legal 383 stroker for my 87 Corvette. I have already purchased a Crane Cam that meets emission standards and will keep the compression ratio right around 9.5 to 1
It has the 700 R Automatic and I plan to leave the rear end gearing alone and plan to some some ET Bracket racing with it from time to time.
I was just wondering if anyone else has built a combination like this and if so, what times should I expect from it in the 1/4 mile?
 
I recommend that you find an able chip-burning person before you get too far. What you plan is do-able, I can attest, but the above is essential.

As for California SMOG, as long as all the original SMOG gear is on, operating, you have the CARB certificates for the aftermarket items and it passes the sniffer, you're okay.

I suspect the racers here will look for engine output numbers to give you estimated ETs.
 
Thanks for your quick reply WhalePirot. I did fail to mention that I have a Hypertech chip in the box for it and will install it once the engine is in. I installed a K&N Filter some time back to increase the air flow and plan to leave all of the emission smog gear intact.
I just don't want to deal with the state and a marginal car everytime I have to get it smogged and with you living here in California, I am sure you know what I am talking about.
I bought a set of Hugger headers for it on E-Bay complete with all of the smog tubes but cant find a CARB number on them so unsure if I will be able to put them on and still pass both the visual and tail pipe emissions test.
 
The HyperTech chip may or may not (most likely not) run your engine as well as it should run, unless it was (most critically) specifically programmed to run with that cam. Most merely adjust wide open throttle. The other things you mentioned should fall within the allowable adjustments in any ECM. I would talk with Crane about the chip and cam. There are guys more expert than I, for sure, on here, but each engine is slightly different from others, even with identical components.

I advocate custom chips, but given the specs of your engine, a mail order place will probably serve you okay. One guy here does chips.

The huggers with air tubes may or may not be paid much heed by your smog tester, but I would have a CARB E.O. number for some legal headers handy. (I didn't tell you to claim that number is specifically for your headers.) ALso have the numbers for every other non-stock item that is visible.

You may be able to easily tell if the chip you use is okay. There are quite a few threads on here, if you search about this subject, but if the new cam makes the car run too rich, you can ruin (clog) the cat over the long term, and may have smog issues, as well.

Spend some time with local guys and find out who is the best smog guy in your area. None will do the fraudulent stuff that used to go on, but some are more intelligent, knowledgeable and therefore, aftermarket-friendly.
 
Its been a while since I have posted anything here but.... You should be able to find the CARB number (if there is one) on the Cali Air Quality website. I did a Google search a while back and found a ton of info. But it has been a while. Most companies will give you a CARB sticker with their products. As a example I got one with my TrickFlow heads.

WhalePirot is spot on with the chip. A off the shelf version will not cut the mustard. I am building a 383 for my 84 and it will require a custom chip. Luckily I can do my own chips. You may also want to consider a WBO2 for tuning. Zeitronix makes a good one what is reasonably priced.
 
Thanks once again WhalePirot as well as Elkabong for your input.
From what I am reading here, the Hypertech chip that I bought might not be suitable for my particular application due to the slightly bigger after market cam. I would imagine the chip that I bought is a genertic type and I just may have to get a custom chip made to take full benefit of the minor mods that I will be making with this engine combo.
As I stated earlier, I have reservations about putting on the Hugger Headers only because I can't find a CARB number anywhere on them even though they have all of the emission tubes attached. I will try to do some research on the California Air Quality web site with hopes of getting lucky. At the moment with limited funds to work with, buying a new set of headers is out of the question but a consideration down the road if I am unable to use these.
Later, I do plan to step up to a set of Accel injectors and a after market throttle body and that will be it.
Anytime you can add performance and maintain good fuel economy, you have the best of both worlds which is my ultimate goal.
 
Injectors sizes are based upon power output. Any size can operate with various pressures, which squirt more/less fuel through during the pulse (open). It is part of the art of tuning a TPI. Mine runs stock fuel pressure and the chip was cut accordingly. Similarly, the throttle body is an air valve. Going larger on either will not deliver more power unless your engine's needs dictate such. More power obviously demands more air/fuel and generates more heat and exhaust flow.

Stories abound here, about how too-large injectors/cam/TB killed a formerly-sweet-running engine. Take your time; plan a systematic engine based upon what your goals are and spend your cash wisely after knowing/listening. Search the heck out of these threads.

I would suspect limited power change from stock, with shorty headers as opposed to long tubes. I sold some SS SLPs to a member, but never heard how well they performed on his '87.
 
Ca. emissions legal 383

Thanks Mike for all of your input, much appreciated. From what I gather in your posts, the heart of the system is dictated by the computer chip and for mine to operate at peak efficency levels after all of the mods are done, I should have a new chip designed with each consideration programed into it.
I am from the old school and trying to step up the performance on a computer controlled car is all new to me. In the old days, just adjust the air/fuel mixture on the carburator, reset the timing and maybe an adjustment on the valves was all that needed. Guess I still have a lot to learn but any knowledge that any of you are willing to share with me on this forum is greatly appreciated.

The trial and error methods can be quite costly and too many times I have seen money spent foolishly only to come up with a negative result of which at this time I can't really afford.
Again thanks,
Jim
 
Old school is a great basis for the new one. The difference is there are sensors that feed voltages to a computer. The throttle body merely meters the airflow,while a sensor measures how much. Most years of the C-4 used a MAF, but 2 or 3 years computed the mass airflow; called a speed density system. I have a hollowed out MAF, complete with the wire pigtail, used for plumbing , only, to make my engine look more like a stock TPI car.

Other sensors listen or knocking sounds, check the throttle position measure the iar temperature, maniflod air pressure, oxygen content in the exhaust, and such. The ECM merely computes how much fuel the engine needs to respond to the conditions and the demand. It also adjust the spark timing, retarding it if it 'hears' knocking.

Hence, while the carbs were amazingly effective, they were also a compromise in many operating concitions. The ECM can attain perfection, within limits, and optimize economy and power output.

I have a faily wild camshaft, with plenty of overlap. The 406SBC idles with some lope, as a hot car should, and did, "back when". This idle is about 850 RPM, whereas, if carbed, it would likely idle well above 1000. The 'experts' who witnessed the development of my chip claimed the car would never idle and would certainly not pass CA smog. It did both.

The ECM and many chip hours by Gary Leonhardt made it so. Gary understands the "old school" stuff about timing, mixture, timing advance, etc. He has learned about ECMs and applied his 'old school' to the new. He made the car a docile street car, yet an absolute terror, upon demand. Gary owns a shop, three generations of Vettes and mods lots of ZRs for customers. He calls my Vette "a Beast"; faster than the ZRs unless they are highly modded.

I was darn luck to have him work on my car. The ECM has to be reprogrammed for a modified car, beyond certain parameters. I am not sure you exceed them, yet.
 
Mike, I am now convinced that I will need a new chip programed exactly to meet all of the modifications that are being incorporated into new engine program just to be on the safe side.
The engine should be ready in about 3 weeks and I will try to run it with the stock chip in it during the break in period.
Do you have a address for Gary Leonhardt so that I can contact him about designing a new one for me?
Thanks again for your help.
Jim
 
Jim McCombe said:
Do you have a address for Gary Leonhardt so that I can contact him about designing a new one for me?
Yeah, I do, but he told me he didn't want to do another. He is downsizing his excellent biz. I have a call into him, and will let you know if that changes.
 
Read the stuff at thirdgen.org

The camaro guys are low buck DIY's and have tons of links on chips.

js
 

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