accel super ram

[reynald leclerc]

happy new year has all here. I would like to put these parts on my vette 87,
http://www.lingenfelter.com/lingenfelter/product.asp?dept_id=16&pf_id=40
my vette as;1.6 rollers rocker
hypertech thermomaster ship
IAT sensor relocated
bypass TB
Maf modified
TB 52mm (BBK)
heddman header 3"
exhaust system (2" 1/2) stanless steel (with out catalytic converter),no EGR
KBD muffler 3"
fuel pressure regulator 58PSI

my question is:the Accel Super Ram, can it be assembled on my vette without modifying the chip?

thank you for your reponses, your site is really fantastic!!

 

[Edmond]

My opinion would be to stick with the 48mm TB and save yourself the $300+ dollars for the 52mm TB. Many tests have proven that unless you're going stroker motor or above, the 48 will do fine.

As for the chip, do that last and get something custom burned. Jeff, one of the moderators on the forum custom burned a chip for me. He can custom burn a chip to your specific mods.

You won't feel the advertised results of the SR without a heads and cam swap as well. The L98 heads and cam aren't sufficient enough for the SR to run as it should. The cam doesn't have enough anything and the heads won't flow well enough.

 

[rrubel]

Edmond, I think he already has the 52mm TB. LPE really recommends that size as a min for the SR anyway; a 58mm comes with their full package.

Reynald, I'm in the process of installing a SR (and have been for the last year!). Some advice:

1. Get the SR base (another $300). The runners will match up to your stock intake manifold, but you'd need to port the heck out of it to get enough airflow.
2. Get the 74219 roller cam and associated springs, retainers, etc.
3. Port your heads (or get a set of higher-flow ones).

As Edmond says, the stock heads and cam will make the SR useless or worse than your stock motor. I originally wanted to just do the base, plenum, and runners and do the rest later, but was convinced to also add the cam - which meant that I had to do the heads and exhaust - because the flow just wasn't there otherwise.

Alternately, for about $400, you can get an LT-1 intake already drilled for the L98's distributor. Add fuel rails and a decent cam, and you've got 300+ HP cheaply and easily, though you lose on low-end torque in favor of high-end HP.

The SuperRam is a major pain in the tuchus to install. Between 70-bajillion screws, limited access, poorly-cast parts, shipping errors, and directions that were mis-translated from the original Swahili, you'll curse the day you started the project. I'm told the end results are well-worth it; I sure hope so... The SuperRam was designed by John Lingenfelter, and is a great part, but it's manufactured by Accel and their QC leaves something to be desired. For example: I was sent two left-side runners in my kit. The EGR tubes are different, so there was a huge vacuum leak. I've had to drill and re-tap half-a-dozen holes to improve access during installation. You have to take out some of the pushrods and rocker arms to install/remove the runners. And so forth.

If you plan on doing the work yourself, I'd really think twice about this setup unless you're quite experienced.

Other opinions will probably vary; there have been some simple installations on this board. Mine, however, has not been one of them.

On the other hand, their tech support is outstanding. Every time I've had a problem, someone (usually Tim Dyer) has taken a lot of time to make sure things are taken care of. I have no problems with LPE as a company, just this one product...
[RICHR]

 

[Edmond]

Rich,

I knew you were have a PITA going through the installation but I didn't know it was that bad. :ugh I have to admit that I would've just given up on it and gone with the MR or LT1 intake.

An even simpler thing would to keep the TPI setup but go with a higher flowing intake. Our L98 intakes were designed with the 305 in mind and that's what it was designed for, a 305.

Edelbrock makes a high flow set of intake and runners. They can be found at www.summitracing.com You can just use a Dremel to port your plenum.

 

[reynald leclerc]

Edmond, I think he already has the 52mm TB.

exact and all these parts, are already assembled on my vette.

my vette as;1.6 rollers rocker
hypertech thermomaster ship
IAT sensor relocated
bypass TB
Maf modified
TB 52mm (BBK)
heddman header 3"
exhaust system (2" 1/2) stanless steel (with out catalytic converter),no EGR
KBD muffler 3"
fuel pressure regulator 58PSI

If you plan on doing the work yourself, I'd really think twice about this setup unless you're quite experienced.

yes it is me which will do it!I have much knowledge in the engines

to obtain a LT1 intake drilled, in France is not easy


I will reflect and would speak again you
great thank has to you two good day


look this site "corvette online"
http://membres.lycos.fr/sharc/Vosautos/page.php?USER=reynald&TYPE_CAR=C4

or complet site http://membres.lycos.fr/sharc/index2.htm

 

[reynald leclerc]

excuse but,I do not find this part:
2. Get the 74219 roller cam and associated springs, retainers, etc.
and it will be necessary that I reprogram the eprom?:ugh

 

[Edmond]

excuse but,I do not find this part:
2. Get the 74219 roller cam and associated springs, retainers, etc.
and it will be necessary that I reprogram the eprom?:ugh

Have you checked www.lingenfelter.com ? I know they started to phase out some of the L98 items such as headers so I don't know if they still make the cam or not. The cam is matched for the SR.

You can also try eBay, there are many guys who decide for one reason or another that they don't want to use the stuff they bought.

 

[rrubel]

Try http://www.lingenfelter.com/lingenfelter/product.asp?dept_id=24&pf_id=489
and click the drop box. The third item down should be the 74219. Since you have an '87, which is a roller-cam block, this is the right cam for the SuperRam. You'll definitely need a chip (eprom) burned with the SuperRam, even if you don't replace the cam. If you email Lingenfelter they should be able to tell you which spring set to use with this cam. Pretty sure it's the Comp Cams dual-coil with titanium retainers; I think that's the only set they carry.

The site http://www.lt1intake.com/ sells a drilled LT1 intake and I think everything you need as a kit to do the conversion. It's run by a person rather than a big company, so he might be willing to ship to France. Of course, pay my airfare and I'd be perfectly happy to hand-deliver anything you want to order . Haven't been to Normandy, but would like to visit Omaha Beach.


Edmund, I'm stubborn. I've dumped a bunch of money into this project that I wouldn't get back if I switched to a different intake. I just want to get it to work right now... it's become a grudge match! At this point, I'm not even going for max power - just something more than I had and a good-running engine.
[RICHR]

 

[Edmond]

Edmund, I'm stubborn. I've dumped a bunch of money into this project that I wouldn't get back if I switched to a different intake. I just want to get it to work right now... it's become a grudge match! At this point, I'm not even going for max power - just something more than I had and a good-running engine.
[RICHR]

That's what I was thinking; that you put so much money and work into the SR that it wouldn't make sense to ditch it and go MR. I was thinking about SR but after reading the installation horror stories, I ditched that idea.

How is Mic doing? Is he still going to do the LT1 intake? I haven't seen him on the forum here in a couple of weeks.

 

[reynald leclerc]

thank you Edmond,in first time,I will test with Ebay.


Rrubel
the LT1 intake is very interesting site for this application

but for the airfare(I had much difficulty with this word) ,if I had much money, I would have done it with pleasure
Omaha Beach is not far from my home (60 milles)(I live meadows of Le Havre),this place and other place of D-day causes me respect and emotion....

I return on the subject
I have to find the item 74219 and,
i will reprogram the chip if, it is necessary with Win aldl

 

[Ken]

Man, all I can say is I'm glad I didn't go with the SR when I built mine; the SR manifold was one of the considerations for my engine project, but as you know I went with the Mini Ram. Works great and easy to install. :cool

 

[WhalePirot]

I sure get a lot of positive comments on this SR. Last one, from a new Vette shop owner, said that they drill and thread the runners, for bolt install from within the plenum. You see, the SR has 16 tiny bolts with 12 point heads, most of which are inside those runners. The only thing that got torqued was my attitude, though.

Rich, good luck. Get out this way and we'll take a SR'd 406 out to motivate you. I just got back from a hairy ride, much of it in a full throttle drift. The tire smoke rarely caught up for me to smell.



The magic is in the chip, pals. Can I say it again?

The magic is in the chip!

Any questions?

 

[rrubel]

WhalePirot, I'd love a ride. Probably be a while until I head west again, unfortunately. Your results are one reason why I keep at this mess... I did get the six most-difficult holes threaded through the runners for installation from the inside (inside rear three on the driver's side, inside front three on the passenger). Made a huge difference in ease of installation.

Edmond, Mic is still intending to do the LT1 intake sometime. He's been busy figuring out why his car seems down on power (wasn't down when he had ME out the other day, but he says the problem's intermittant) and also gathering $$$. He's got some other commitments that are taking priority right now.

[RICHR]

 

[OLDCHEV]

Does anyone have any experiance with the Holley Stealth Ram? Seems pretty inexpensive.

 

[Edmond]

Does anyone have any experiance with the Holley Stealth Ram? Seems pretty inexpensive.

There is a member here, Grumpy, who has written many articles praising the Stealth Ram. However, if I recall correctly, it will not clear the stock hood of a C4 Corvette so a lot of people shy away from it.

I'll try to dig up some of Grumpy's posts on the Stealth Ram.

Found a good one with dyno results:

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33711&highlight=stealth+ram11